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Old 02-03-2011, 08:12 PM   #31
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Why on earth would it be heavier.
Well, the liquid cooling system obviously weighs something. If those other engines made it to a liquid-cooled generation without gaining net weight, then they must have lost it elsewhere.

I'm skeptical that the BMW boxer engine has that much to lose. It already lost a good bit of weight between the 1150 and 1200 generations. The HP2 Enduro engine is a bit lighter still, but that was at the sacrifice of a counter balancer, so not as smooth.

But hey, I'm no engineer, and there's always room for more clever design. Regardless, the additional complexity is indisputable, and I am not interested in that.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:45 PM   #32
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Triumph 1200?

I don't see the boxer engine on the page 1 picture, do I?
Could it be the new 1200 Triumph, Triumph's seem to look like BMW's but they are not BMW's
Why would I move the shaft drive to the left?


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Old 02-03-2011, 08:56 PM   #33
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It was just a matter of time before BMW had to switch from air to water cooled. If they decide to go with a wet clutch, that would be an improvement. Air cooled is the main reason I started to look at that engine and I still prefer an air cooled engine, a lots easier to work on then water cooled engine. I will miss the old engine, but I'm still very interested to see what the new one is going to look like.






Some of you may be getting all excited about this, but I see this as analagous to what car companies do with successful cars. They have to "improve" them each year so they make them bigger and clutter them up with accessories that bastardize the concept. While technology improved on the airhead design (EFI is a great example in my view), BMW keeps adding electric this and ring that with servo assisted whatever. I don't want all that. I want a simple, easy to maintian and fixable bike wherever you find yourself. Give me a clutch cable versus hydraulic. I'll take manually adjustable shocks over EWS. Why the hell would you put that ring antenae crap on a bike that you take around the world? Just something else to break!

Sorry, but a radiator is more complexity, something else to go wrong, something that adds to the difficulty (and expense) of service. Yes boxers get hot in traffic, but do I want to add all that crap?

I am not anti improvement. I would take a wet clutch, but only if its more accessible and easier to fix than the current dry single plate clutch. I like the current clutch, but it is not easily servicable anywhere but the dealer.

So some of you may get excited about the radiators, but count me out. I like simple for this kind of bike.
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:25 PM   #34
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Some of you may be getting all excited about this, but I see this as analagous to what car companies do with successful cars. They have to "improve" them each year so they make them bigger and clutter them up with accessories that bastardize the concept. While technology improved on the airhead design (EFI is a great example in my view), BMW keeps adding electric this and ring that with servo assisted whatever. I don't want all that. I want a simple, easy to maintian and fixable bike wherever you find yourself. Give me a clutch cable versus hydraulic. I'll take manually adjustable shocks over EWS. Why the hell would you put that ring antenae crap on a bike that you take around the world? Just something else to break!

Sorry, but a radiator is more complexity, something else to go wrong, something that adds to the difficulty (and expense) of service. Yes boxers get hot in traffic, but do I want to add all that crap?

I am not anti improvement. I would take a wet clutch, but only if its more accessible and easier to fix than the current dry single plate clutch. I like the current clutch, but it is not easily servicable anywhere but the dealer.

So some of you may get excited about the radiators, but count me out. I like simple for this kind of bike.
The problem is Larry, you're not the target market. And they're doing well leaving you behind.

But don't worry for BMW. If this thing makes 20-30% more power, I'll buy it. They'll suck me in again.
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:28 PM   #35
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So some of you may get excited about the radiators, but count me out. I like simple for this kind of bike.
I like the gadgets. I don't care about water cooling though. The only advantage to that will be that the water will dampen the rattling noise so a boxer will not sound as if someone forgot some nuts in the chambers ...
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:34 PM   #36
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I can see what it is.

I bet you that it won't be on the next iteration.

It is a marketing thing.
You really have nothing of value to add, do you?

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Old 02-03-2011, 10:09 PM   #37
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Would you speculate that it's a dry or wet clutch?
Dear God, please, a wet clutch. Please.
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Old 02-03-2011, 11:03 PM   #38
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it's says 8 valves DOHC engine double plug fuel injection 1270cc with a 14.5kg of torque and 128 bhp. New front beak and the headlight like the one in the F800

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Old 02-03-2011, 11:06 PM   #39
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Sure the Boxer future will look "cool" but I don't think its a BMW, Triumph has a test & engineering facility in Spain...not sure what's wrong with the dry clutch, does it make sense not to have one? How else can you keep the engine reasonably short, yes there must be a rear wheel somewhere :-)
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:42 AM   #40
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it's says 8 valves DOHC engine double plug fuel injection 1270cc with a 14.5kg of torque and 128 bhp. New front beak and the headlight like the one in the F800
14.5 kgm = 104.9 lb-ft of torque

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Old 02-04-2011, 02:01 AM   #41
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But don't worry for BMW. If this thing makes 20-30% more power, I'll buy it. They'll suck me in again.
Yup - me too

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Old 02-04-2011, 02:02 AM   #42
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Interesting, maybe it will be a good bike, I'll wait for a few years to work out the bugs.
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:59 AM   #43
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Some of you may be getting all excited about this, but I see this as analagous to what car companies do with successful cars. They have to "improve" them each year so they make them bigger and clutter them up with accessories that bastardize the concept. While technology improved on the airhead design (EFI is a great example in my view), BMW keeps adding electric this and ring that with servo assisted whatever. I don't want all that. I want a simple, easy to maintian and fixable bike wherever you find yourself. Give me a clutch cable versus hydraulic. I'll take manually adjustable shocks over EWS. Why the hell would you put that ring antenae crap on a bike that you take around the world? Just something else to break!

Sorry, but a radiator is more complexity, something else to go wrong, something that adds to the difficulty (and expense) of service. Yes boxers get hot in traffic, but do I want to add all that crap?

I am not anti improvement. I would take a wet clutch, but only if its more accessible and easier to fix than the current dry single plate clutch. I like the current clutch, but it is not easily servicable anywhere but the dealer.

So some of you may get excited about the radiators, but count me out. I like simple for this kind of bike.
So i'm not the only one who holds this opinion.
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Old 02-04-2011, 04:53 AM   #44
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No big deal - splitting hairs - it is cooled one way or the other but not with air
They are all air cooled, some just use a liquid to transport the heat but as you said -splitting hairs-
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Old 02-04-2011, 04:54 AM   #45
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I guess I'll need to start saving for my next GS
I'm betting on the price of the thing that a potential buyer best be looking for a part time job and a paper route and pick up aluminum cans on the side.
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