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Old 06-20-2011, 05:46 PM   #736
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A lot of enthusiasm, I hope it bears fruit.

It's odd to be announcing a new bike nearly 2 months after the peak spring and summer sales period. My local dealership has no idea when it is due in so given the short riding season here, if it isn't out by next week (beginning of July) it may as well wait until next season because very few will be buying a bike come July. While Canada certainly isn't Suzuki's largest market if you couple it with the northern USA you're looking at a large market where the season is 50% over. The lower USA, it's irrelevant in comparison when the bike is released.

Couple this with this being a niche market bike, not a halo model like a GSXR1000 and it is even more odd.

Hopefully this bike is worth the fan fervour but TBH I'm wondering if people are expecting much more in the way of change, beyond the move to 800 cc. Given the economy, the niche market of adventure riding and Suzuki's relative lack of interest in the adventure class I'm guessing mild upgrades on known problem areas and likely a slightly more off road oriented package to compete with the new 800s. But I wonder if Suzuki is going to invest significantly in facing off against KTM or BMW. They didn't need to do much to the build something successful the first go around; and the customers that want the Vstrom didn't necessarily want the 12GS and vice versa. Kawasaki didn't have to do much to make the KLR modern and competitive again, I don't think Suzuki needs to make much of a leap either.
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Old 06-20-2011, 06:55 PM   #737
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A lot of enthusiasm, I hope it bears fruit.

It's odd to be announcing a new bike nearly 2 months after the peak spring and summer sales period. My local dealership has no idea when it is due in so given the short riding season here, if it isn't out by next week (beginning of July) it may as well wait until next season because very few will be buying a bike come July. While Canada certainly isn't Suzuki's largest market if you couple it with the northern USA you're looking at a large market where the season is 50% over. The lower USA, it's irrelevant in comparison when the bike is released.


snip... Kawasaki didn't have to do much to make the KLR modern and competitive again, I don't think Suzuki needs to make much of a leap either.
Didn't know that the KLR was made modern and competitive

Don't know why people would buy something when the price is up, instead of buying when the price is low, as in late fall...

Concerning the timing of this campaign, perhaps it was something concocted overnight, hence the odd timing, or maybe not given the small market in Canada- they couldn't care less.


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Old 06-20-2011, 07:21 PM   #738
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As with cars, aren't new model years usually started after summer break? This is going to be MY 2012 for the V-Strom so the timing of introduction seems right on. It'll take a while before they start arriving at dealers so perfectly in time for next season. And in many southern states and southern Europe, riding season is much longer or all year long.
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Old 06-20-2011, 07:42 PM   #739
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Didn't know that the KLR was made modern and competitive

Don't know why people would buy something when the price is up, instead of buying when the price is low, as in late fall...

Concerning the timing of this campaign, perhaps it was something concocted overnight, hence the odd timing, or maybe not given the small market in Canada- they couldn't care less.


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Can it run with a KTM or Husaberg no but by the definition of success that manufacturers adhere to the KLR is still a top selling enduro. How much did that face lift cost Kawasaki to modernize it and breath fresh air into the model? Love it or hate it the KLR has a bigger following than the Vstrom and a much more storied RTW record to boot. The new model, with attention to minor foibles in the old models 19 plus yr. run saw the bike gain renewed interest. Yeah that's modernizing it and making it competitive in my book. Yeah it is lacking in FI, top quality suspension etc. and yet my local dealership still has it as a top seller. Ask any dealership if they would ever have a problem taking a KLR in on trade; they know they will be able to move it eventually.

I doubt they could concoct it overnight. Even a parts bin special requires a budget and planning and the bean counters will still take into consideration the market. It's not just the Canadian market, it's beyond the peak sales season for most markets.
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:15 PM   #740
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Can we all say a little prayer here.

"Dear God"

"Please God, don't let Suzuki make as much of a mess to the Vstrom, as Kawasaki made to the KLR. We pleaded with them for a more dirt-worthy bike and fix the silly doo hickey and they gave us a road bike and still not a proper doo hickey and spring, just a different one."

Thank you God.

Goodnight.

Dreaming of a Vstrom thats a rally replica, 800cc, decent suspension.........snooze...........snooze
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:43 PM   #741
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A lot of enthusiasm, I hope it bears fruit.

It's odd to be announcing a new bike nearly 2 months after the peak spring and summer sales period. My local dealership has no idea when it is due in so given the short riding season here, if it isn't out by next week (beginning of July) it may as well wait until next season because very few will be buying a bike come July.
Suzuki have always announced their new models in the July / August period for delivery in the September / October period. This announcement fits in perfectly with their standard policy as it's existed as far back as I can remember which is the early 1970's.
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:56 PM   #742
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For those of you on Facebook and subscribed or "Liking" Suzuki Scoop, the official source for Suzuki motorcycles, you saw this item this afternoon (6/20/2011):
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Hey Scoop Fans, we’re going to have the big reveal on the “Middle-class New Motorcycle” in a couple of weeks! Check out suzukicycles.com tomorrow for more “unveiling.” In the mean time, what do you think it is based upon the pictures that have been going around?


There are a couple of commentators condemning the "tease." Just get on with it.

So, let's see what they "reveal" tomorrow.

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Old 06-20-2011, 09:56 PM   #743
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Went to Suzuki Scoop page and they wanted to know what I thought so I left a comment:

Hard to comment on fuzzy pics. This is worse than Triumph and their peeking through a hole in a box for their new Tiger. I would be interested to see a stripped down Wee Strom might keep me from heading else where for my dirty road riding. Test riding the new Tiger next month so do not wait to long or you might miss me!
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:37 PM   #744
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Went to Suzuki Scoop page and they wanted to know what I thought so I left a comment:

This is worse than Triumph and their peeking through a hole in a box for their new Tiger.
No way! That dragged on for ages and it took up half your daily bandwidth allocation just to load that page of theirs. IMO.

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Old 06-21-2011, 12:22 AM   #745
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Suzuki have always announced their new models in the July / August period for delivery in the September / October period. This announcement fits in perfectly with their standard policy as it's existed as far back as I can remember which is the early 1970's.
They've just announced their '12 motocross models.

Motorcycle USA speculates it will be a face-lifted "more of same."


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The latest teaser images of the Suzuki Middle-class new Motorcycle reveals a few key components that seem to clarify what we can expect from this motorcycle. First of all the close-up image of the front cowling and headlight looks so similar to the V-Strom 650 that we tend to think this is a freshened up version of Suzuki’s middleweight adventure touring bike.

Further evidence supporting this theory is the clear shot of the front of the motorcycle. Here you can clearly see the V-Twin engine and the signature oil filter hanging low and in front of the engine case behind the front wheel. This is the same layout as the last V-Strom 650 engine as you can see in the comparison images below. The spindly standard front fork reveals a low-budget approach to the bike’s suspension which also favors the notion that this is an updated version of the budget-minded V-Strom 650.

The last piece of evidence that eliminates any hope of this new motorcycle having off-road tendencies is the front fender and street-oriented tires. So, we suspect Suzuki is reviving the Wee-Strom with a face lift but we are still waiting for verification and details from Suzuki.
It's funny in a way they describe the front forks as "spindly" when the 575lb HD Sportster has 39mm forks.
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:33 AM   #746
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They've just announced their '12 motocross models.

Motorcycle USA speculates it will be a face-lifted "more of same."




It's funny in a way they describe the front forks as "spindly" when the 575lb HD Sportster has 39mm forks.
And surprisingly I've heard of very few (no ?) cases where the forks have been bent without significant other front end damage.

The swingarms don't break often either , unlike some other makes ;)

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Old 06-21-2011, 04:52 AM   #747
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low expectations

i think they've 'succeeded' in setting low/lousy expectations, and the 'new' bike will probably meet those expectations.
skin & farkle, I predict, along with a weight-gain.

one must credit Yammie with being the only company that at least understood the niche [ADV] potential and fired a pretty good shot at it.
I wish them well and a lot of unit sales...
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Old 06-21-2011, 05:14 AM   #748
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And surprisingly I've heard of very few (no ?) cases where the forks have been bent without significant other front end damage.

The swingarms don't break often either , unlike some other makes ;)

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Two up with luggage I had a low speed crash, steering went full left, weight of bike went on front wheel sideways and snapped the left fork. Guys in the shop where it was towed to had never seen a fork snap.

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Old 06-21-2011, 07:10 AM   #749
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http://www.globalsuzuki.com/motorcyc...650/media.html

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