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Old 06-17-2011, 07:59 PM   #676
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lots of good advice

some more on how to get a feel for a bike more quickly:

1. Get a feel for the engine and gears: with a warm engine don't use full throttle but s-l-o-w-l-y rev it out in first gear, then in second. Then shift up and down and feel how the engine behaves and responds at different rpm and different gears. Try different gears while keeping a steady speed and so on. A common new rider mistake is to always shift to the highest gear possible since that's what you do in a car, with a motorcycle you will find that it often rides better in a lower gear and with less throttle. The engine will be more responsive and run smoother, don't worry about fuel consumption since bike engines are tuned for higher rpm than cars and sometimes higher rpm will actually improve the gas mileage!

2. Get a feel for the chassis: this is a little exercise that i call "the snake". If you find yourself on a wide straight road with little traffic you want to wiggle the bike from side to side. Keep your vision fixed straight ahead (this is very important!) then start with start with slooowly going from one side of the lane to the other side and back, then do it a little faster, a little faster again, and then a little faster again. Don't ever stop and straighten the bike out just keep on turning back and forth, back and forth.

You will find that to do it slowly you need not even turn the handlebars but merely think about it and you will move. But then the faster you wiggle from side to side the more force you will have to apply at the handlebars, and you are now counter-steering! If you do it really fast (only on good clean asphalt with warm tires) you will find that you are not moving your upper body at all but that your legs and the bike will swing beneath you. This technique of aggressive counter-steering is the fastest way to lean a bike over for a corner or to avoid an obstacle. It is profoundly useful!

3. Get a feel for the brakes: while on an empty road and traveling at the speed limit try getting a feel for the front break. You should squeeze with your knees and straighten your arms and back while at the same time squeeeeeezing the front brake. I recommend also pulling the clutch at the same time if you feel you can manage it. It should take maybe 0.5 second to go from no front brake to maximum front brake, this will allow time for the weight to transfer to the front wheel.

Start easy and then brake harder and harder, be prepared to release the brake if you feel that the front wheel locks up or the rear of the bike is coming up. During this exercise you don't need to use the rear brake at all, the rear brake is the good for small speed adjustments, works well at low speeds and on gravel and can also help stabilizing the bike in a corner. But the harder you need to brake the more front brake you need to dial in and the less rear brake you should use. Pro racers use the rear and front brake under maximum braking but for 99% of road riders it's safer to only rely on the front brake for emergency stops. This does however change a bit if you have a low slung cruiser, then you might have to use both brakes.... So essentially you need to practice braking with your motorcycle.

These three things will help you to more quickly grasp how a motorcycle goes, turns and stops....
great post!!
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:42 PM   #677
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I just keep coming back to this thread. It encouraged me to try a few things out I never would have thought of as practice and helps me think about what I'm doing while riding. A great thread on a great forum.

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Old 06-18-2011, 09:18 AM   #678
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I got one (pounded in to me by an MSF instructor):
Never do the" two finger front brake" thing (its a "bad" habit), use the whole hand every time. it creates a muscle memory habit and even as you grab with only two; things may require full emergency braking with no notice. its best to grab with all four fingers and use necessary pressure. In a dire emergency you want to reflexively react reaching with all four.
IDK. I always use two. I have two fingers on the brake and clutch levers at all times. For me it's uncomfortable to not always have my fingers there. I don't need muscle memory for reaching, I'm already there.
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Old 06-18-2011, 09:35 AM   #679
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IDK. I always use two. I have two fingers on the brake and clutch levers at all times. For me it's uncomfortable to not always have my fingers there. I don't need muscle memory for reaching, I'm already there.

I use one finger on some bikes and two on others. (never four)

The key is to practice and get good at it no matter how many fingers you use.
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Old 06-18-2011, 09:52 AM   #680
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I just keep coming back to this thread. It encouraged me to try a few things out I never would have thought of as practice and helps me think about what I'm doing while riding. A great thread on a great forum.

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Old 06-21-2011, 05:42 AM   #681
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The key is to practice and get good at it no matter how many fingers you use.
That's what she said
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:35 PM   #682
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Great thread. Lots of solid advice. I always rode dirtbikes and I'm comfortable on the trail but road riding sketches me out sometimes people are just way too unpredictable.
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:49 PM   #683
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Another important noob thing to know is that a lot of the stuff people tell you is not true.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:00 PM   #684
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Another important noob thing to know is that a lot of the stuff people tell you is not true.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:57 AM   #685
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Riding a bike is like having a stable of thoroughbreds ... get in the habit of 'stabling' your bike .... a quick clean, a check over and a chain lube (if ya have a chain and not shaft or belt drive) ... It's akin to rubbing the horse down and grooming / feeding at the end of the day ... then all that needs to be done is a tyre check in the morning before you head out for your ride
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Old 06-23-2011, 03:28 AM   #686
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Another important noob thing to know is that a lot of the stuff people tell you is not true.
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Old 06-23-2011, 07:57 AM   #687
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Great thread. Lots of solid advice. I always rode dirtbikes and I'm comfortable on the trail but road riding sketches me out sometimes people are just way too unpredictable.
It just takes time to get used to it. I love riding around the city and exploring neighborhoods.

It can often seem like people are unpredictable. I would say however that it is very predictable that some people will do something unpredictable. Expect the unexpected. Learn to find those people while you're riding and keep them in your personal radar.

When I'm riding down the street my #1 thing is that I'm enjoying the ride. Riding a motorcycle is fun first and foremost. But I always have my little personal radar going: The guy is front of me is talking on the cell phone, the teenager is looking at her latest text message, the person behind me seems to be in a rush and is tail gating.

Try hard to not let yourself be surprised. Recognize the warning signs and make an intervention. Make sure that things you do to ride the bike: starting, braking, accelerating, etc. are completely automatic. That way you have your full attention to devote to what's going on around you and enjoying that ride down the boulevard.

I'm not one to post and complain about crazy cagers and stupid drivers. As soon as I start doing that I'll back out of the driveway one morning into the path of my neighbor on his Goldwing. I've certainly pulled a bone-headed move or two.
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:38 AM   #688
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This drill trains you for the very common MC sandwich where traffic has stopped & you must make a emergency stop & keeping your feet up make your escape so the next car wont rear end you.

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Old 06-28-2011, 12:03 PM   #689
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I don't know where I picked it up, but I don't have to be trained on what's behind me.

I guess it was all those years of working on a road and having rule #1 drilled into me. NEVER, Never ever ever turn your back to traffic...


But then I moved here and it's like all the rules one should know, are thrown right out the window with the "I'll just hire a lawyer" mentality.


I've never seen or thought ppl could do and get away with the things they do here till I saw it with my own two eyes... Man, the stories I could tell.

Bottom line, keep your head moving "Head on a gimbal" and never ever ever assume someone will be looking out for you.

After all, to them that's what lawyers are for.



EDIT: And oh, if I was Mr. Limp Dick Ford Ranger man, I'da assumed a protective position with my truck as a buffer, before the biker...

Thata way, if an errant car was to come it'd hit my truck instead. Fkn people
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Old 06-28-2011, 12:22 PM   #690
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