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Old 07-30-2011, 10:42 PM   #7516
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The time has come. Finally!

25 days after dropping my Tiger XC off for it's 500 mile service I got it back. Holy balls!

Triumph determined that my bike needed it's throttle body assembly replaced. They did that and it seems to have helped a lot. They did so, under warranty, which in my opinion, they damn well better.

Is the bike perfect, like a brand new bike should be? No.

Am I glad to be on it again? Hells yes!

I picked it up from the dealer and had it home by 1pm today. It was hot as Hell in Denver today. Been that way for the entire month of July. Hmmm, I've not had my 2012 Tiger for almost the entire month of July.

So, the planets aligned and I got the bike back. I went for a little 200 mile ride as soon as I got home and unloaded it out of the back of my truck.



I rode it from my bucolic suburb of Denver up into them there Rocky Mountains. It ran great on the pavement. The high elevation cooled me off, the bike felt like it should. So much so that I decided to take her exploring the unpaved parts of them there Rocky Mountains.



This is where I discovered a design flaw in the new Tiger XC. It is an Adventure Bike isn't it? Don't Adventure Bikes have to occasionally cross water? Yes, yes they do (as seen in the above photo). As soon as I got said Adventure Bike into that water, about shin deep, it died. How do I know it was shin deep? The boots I was wearing today go half way up my shins. The water was higher than my boots and they filled with it. I had to push it to the other side. Twice.



So, the design flaw. I'm not sure what the name of the part is (don't yet have a service manual) but I suspect it is the coil or at least something to do with the ignition system. It sits directly across the engine case from the exhaust pipe at the bottom of the bike. Just above the skid plate. I know about this part, with it's electrical wires attached because I installed the center stand on my bike. That was a bitch. A 4 beer job at least. Anyway, guess what? When it gets wet, the bike dies!

This happened both times I crossed that stream: Going up Webster Pass and then again coming back down to the town of Montezuma. http://www.treknow.com/colorado/back...bster_pass.htm



I didn't get stranded there. I put my feet down, then pushed the bike out (it would not start as long as I was in said stream). But, if I had...

So, climbing up the trail to Webster Pass the bike did only OK. It stalled a lot. It started right back up but I was annoyed. I've been over this pass a dozen times on nearly as many bikes. I've never had one stall on me until today.

She ran great on pavement. Less than great off pavement...

Anyone here an Entrepreneur with a mechanical bias?

There's a product to be made to relocate that part from the underside of the engine to the top. Water and electricity don't mix....


Glad to be back on the road ! Hopefully for good.
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Old 07-31-2011, 12:54 AM   #7517
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Nothing wrong with mine crossing fords....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSX7Q1lNz_E

I'm first one through.

I can't think you're right about ignition bits down that low. They're all on top of the cylinder head. The only thing down low that cuts ignition is the side stand switch but that should be a sealed unit. Although some people have removed it and hung it somewhere else. The danger there though is that you can forget to raise the stand before riding off.
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Old 07-31-2011, 01:55 AM   #7518
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Loaned Triumph Tiger XC stalls again

Seems like we might be back to the drawing board....my bike has the "illness" again and we really don't know why. See our BLOG for details
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Old 07-31-2011, 07:36 AM   #7519
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That really sucks Deano. I don't believe the stalling in water is a design flaw on the bike. It may be yet another issue with your particular bike. Remember that crazy rain we had in Denver a little while ago? Sante Fe and Alemeda was under almost 2.5 feet of water and I crossed it ten times. I assure you my bike has been thoroughly water tested. I'd seriously start pushing for lemon law and try to get a new bike.
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Old 07-31-2011, 07:46 AM   #7520
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Deano, I have to agree with av. I rode my XC in the pouring rain for 10hrs one day & crossed a mud hole 3ft deep & 100ft across. Yes, I had to turn around & do it a 2nd time. No issues.

Soph9, that really sucks. I can't help but feel paranoid every time I ride my XC. I'm worried mine will start stalling, but I have just under 3000 miles & no issues (knock on wood).
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:05 AM   #7521
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my bike has the "illness" again and we really don't know why.
Triumph doesn't know why either. Dropped my bike off yesterday for the 3rd time to correct this issue. They had it 3 weeks last time, ended up replacing the throttle bodies, but that didn't help. They ran all the diagnostics and found nothing wrong. Ladies, I've been following your ride report and absotulely love it! I bought the Tiger to do trips exaclty like yours. I would hate for you to have to cut your trip short because of this issue. But Triumph does not have a fix for this, hoping you get home safe.
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:35 AM   #7522
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Can it be that sidestand return spring is too weak, causing the sidestand to "bang around" on bumpy/rough sections, causing the sidestand switch to "think" the side stand is down, and turning the engine off. Could explain some of the stalling described....
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Old 07-31-2011, 05:42 PM   #7523
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So far I have had 3000 fabulous kilometers on my XC then one hot summer day I am out for a ride trough the city when I notice the idle dropping at stop lights something didnt feel right. I am in third gear 60 kmh coming up to a stop I pull in the clutch to down shift I release he clutch the back wheel locks up and the bike starts fish tailing I pull in the clutch instantly and pull over the bike has stalled. I try to re start it starts and stalls immediately I wait 10 min and it starts and it makes it home. This is my only stalling experience but it took some joy out of riding this bike now there is doubt. The next day going to work in the rain three lanes of traffic I am constantly worried about which lane Im in the rain slick road the traffic.

Now the two bikes traveling in Alaska one silver frame one black probably built months apart same amount of km, having the same problems HMMMMM.
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Old 07-31-2011, 06:14 PM   #7524
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I can't say it enough: file a complaint with the NHTSA or Triumph will not acknowledge the problem but will keep trying to fix on a one by one basis.

It doesn't take long and might one day safe a life. Maybe it's someone you know ...

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Old 07-31-2011, 06:59 PM   #7525
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Can it be that sidestand return spring is too weak, causing the sidestand to "bang around" on bumpy/rough sections, causing the sidestand switch to "think" the side stand is down, and turning the engine off. Could explain some of the stalling described....
No. It also happens when the bike is stopped, and in neutral.
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Old 07-31-2011, 07:52 PM   #7526
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So, I am the proud owner of a new 2012 XC and have been following the forum for some time. So far no stalling issues, but I haven't reached my break in mileage yet. Hope to do that this weekend if the rain holds out. I am trying to understand from the post if in fact the stalling/idle issue goes away with the installation of the Arrow pipe and remap. Does this "cure" the problem? Thanks.
My 2012 XC has the Arrow pipe and map. And as fate would have it, it stalls a lot and spent 25 days in the shop over the idle issue.

I got it back yesterday and rode the heck out of it this weekend. About 500 miles worth of Dual Sport riding. This is the design intent isn't it?

So in the last 500 miles, after it being in the shop for 25 days, it stalls a lot. It did not do that when I brought it in for it's 500 mile service. 25 days and a new throttle body assembly later it has stalled no less than 20 times.

I live at altitude. I ride at altitude. It seemed to me yesterday that the stalling might be altitude related (over 10,000 feet was the worst of it) but coming home today, at a mile high, it stalled pulling into my driveway.

The bike currently has 1340 miles on it.

I'm pissed off!
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Old 07-31-2011, 08:04 PM   #7527
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That really sucks Deano. I don't believe the stalling in water is a design flaw on the bike. It may be yet another issue with your particular bike. Remember that crazy rain we had in Denver a little while ago? Sante Fe and Alemeda was under almost 2.5 feet of water and I crossed it ten times. I assure you my bike has been thoroughly water tested. I'd seriously start pushing for lemon law and try to get a new bike.
No shit, you crossed water that many times? And no instant death?

I was washing my bike this evening and looked closer at the suspected part. It actually has a rubber elbow on the front of it that looks like a drain. The part in question is just below the countershaft sprocket. It has 2 wires on the back of it and the drain tube on the front. Don't know what it is, but I suspect that is the reason my bike stalled in that little water crossing. Really, the water was about as high as that part. The bike died and would not restart until I pushed the Beast out of the water. Then within a few tries, it started back up.

I rode it again today, for about 300 miles. I covered some nice DS passes and had a great day. However, the bike stalled on me 5 times.

Unfortunately, you might be on to something regarding the Lemon Law...
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Old 07-31-2011, 08:06 PM   #7528
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No shit, you crossed water that many times? And no instant death?

I was washing my bike this evening and looked closer at the suspected part. It actually has a rubber elbow on the front of it that looks like a drain. The part in question is just below the countershaft sprocket. It has 2 wires on the back of it and the drain tube on the front. Don't know what it is, but I suspect that is the reason my bike stalled in that little water crossing. Really, the water was about as high as that part. The bike died and would not restart until I pushed the Beast out of the water. Then within a few tries, it started back up.

I rode it again today, for about 300 miles. I covered some nice DS passes and had a great day. However, the bike stalled on me 5 times.

Unfortunately, you might be on to something regarding the Lemon Law...
Isn't that the charcoal canister ?
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Old 07-31-2011, 08:25 PM   #7529
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Isn't that the charcoal canister ?
Yes that's the charcoal canister and it shouldn't have anything to do with Deano's stalling. Those are not electrical wires but rubber hoses attached to the back.
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Old 07-31-2011, 09:04 PM   #7530
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Yes that's the charcoal canister and it shouldn't have anything to do with Deano's stalling. Those are not electrical wires but rubber hoses attached to the back.
When the charcoal canister on the F800GS sucked water (on really rainy days or during water crossings), the bike stalled. And it killed the charcoal over time - which it then might have sucked into more sensible parts of the bike.

Solution was to put a T in the hose that went from the canister down to the lower parts of the bike and route a hose somewhere under the seat from it. That solution was suggested by a BMW mech on a forum and solved canister related stalling and was later the official change in the recall issued by BMW.

Worth a look.

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