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Old 08-05-2011, 09:23 PM   #7756
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I don't have a problem with it either, was just curious whether it was the photo or reality. I have seen that quite often with Jesse cases. Personally I don't like the look when the seem to be "hanging", but so what?

Don't have that problem on my GS though with the Micatechs:



It would be so awesome if Micatech could adopt their Pilot mount for the Tiger. But I doubt they will.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:37 PM   #7757
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I like the look of the Hepco and Beck cases.
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:02 AM   #7758
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We have Jesse luggage on both Tigers and our Beemers. Reason? No drag at high speeds, close fitting to the bikes, top loading we prefer, waterproof no doubt there and top quality. No powdercoating rubbing on your items inside the panniers, and we use the top box for commuting and trips like the one we are on. The top box, 45L fits one full face helmet too.


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Old 08-06-2011, 12:09 AM   #7759
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You replied before I got the 3rd pic up. I went out just now and measured, front to back the bags cant down about 4".
It's interesting. I like your's definitely better than the Odyssey cases. I considered the Safaris for my GS, but in the end went with the Micatechs because they are narrower and the customer support experience was just worlds apart. Non-existent from Al Jesse, okay from Rick (?) at xplorermoto.com, but absolutely outstanding from Micatech.

With a Tiger I'd probably go with soft luggage, given all the options that are out there right now don't appeal to me all too much.
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Old 08-06-2011, 07:15 AM   #7760
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Anyone wanting to buy this bike should. Nice quote from our RR. It's true we will own this bike despite the stalling because Triumph will figure it out if they haven't all ready. They will be able to take our bikes a part and learn anything they want. The bikes will have about 9000 miles on them by the time we are done and those miles were not all kind on the bikes.


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I'm really interested in the 800xc. I've tried searching online for others having problems with the bike but haven't been able to find anything. So, I'm guessing it's a very small number bikes that are having trouble, or....maybe it has something to do with this forum...the only people having problems with their bikes are on this forum...Quit posting and reading and see what happens. kidding of course
I have not had a problem - yet. I have a little over 1000 miles miles on my XC. That will change next week by about 2000 miles. Even knowing about the stalling issues, I did not hesitate to buy my XC. This week I rode with two other 800 riders on a very hot day, mid to upper 90's F. Two of us have never experienced the stalling issue and one has. The one that has has learned how to work around it. He is riding and enjoying his bike while waiting for the fix from Triumph.

I encourage you to go ahead a purchase the 800. You will love it. My only complaint is the heat; but that will feel good in the winter!
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Old 08-06-2011, 07:33 AM   #7761
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We have Jesse luggage on both Tigers and our Beemers. Reason? No drag at high speeds, close fitting to the bikes, top loading we prefer, waterproof no doubt there and top quality. No powdercoating rubbing on your items inside the panniers, and we use the top box for commuting and trips like the one we are on. The top box, 45L fits one full face helmet too.
Look great. Do you know the weight for the Jesse racks and empty panniers?
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Old 08-06-2011, 02:56 PM   #7762
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Not sure about the exact weight if the Jesse racks or bags but would guess around 40-50 Lbs. The real test is when they are loaded and well balanced. Don't even know they are there and you can move them foward or baxk on the racks given the weigjt and preference. Another item that will go on any bike we own that Al Jesse makes mounts for.


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Old 08-06-2011, 05:25 PM   #7763
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Look great. Do you know the weight for the Jesse racks and empty panniers?
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We have the 9" Odyssey bags, and they weigh 14 pounds each, empty. I didn't get a chance to weigh the brackets before I mounted them, but they are probably another 7-10 pounds. So, figure about 40 pounds or less for the whole set up. The weight disappears once the bags are mounted on the bike. The Tiger rides very well while fully loaded. And still gets good gas mileage, too.

Just had my 6000 mile service done, and no issues whatsoever. More miles in four months than on the previous two street bikes I owned for over a year each (XR1200 and XB12R). I guess I'm liking the XC ok.
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Old 08-06-2011, 08:12 PM   #7764
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Oh I read it. Still doesnt make you intellegent. And still doesnt make you right. Ive been riding and racing bikes for years. This stalling issue is not my fault! Im still waiting on when and where you want to meet to settle this once and for all!

I have not been reading all the posts, so don't know if there is some reason you are being so sensitive and maybe there is a good reason for it, but I read the post. Well, I read what was copied from the post.

What I read strictly from this post is that DAKEZ DOES believe there is an issue, and beleives that Triumph is working on it. He does NOT blame the rider for doing something wrong. He states that riding style could have something to do with it. As in, maybe you are a gentle rider and that the bike needs to have the snot ridden out of it to clear up whatever the problem is. That does not make it the riders fault, just that the bike might favor a certain kind of riding style to another. Not that much of a stretch really as different riding styles as well as different conditions, fuels, etc can have an effect on a bike. If there is a problem with said bike, that particular issue could show up there. A good example might be an overheating problem. It might be shown that the only people that have the problem are people that squeeze the tank all the time, limiting air flow around a certain part of the engine. (or whatever, use your imagination). That does not say the rider is doing something wrong, just that riders that do that have the problem. This kind of thing helps in diagnosing problems.

One example I have seen is a fuel injected bike that ran, "odd" often. The rider had been told to remove the battery connections to charge the bike. Since the rider did not ride often, he would disconnect the battery cable and charge the bike often. Guess what? Without knowing the rider did this, diagnosing the problem was impossible. Once the rider stopped disconnecting the cable, the computer was happier and the bike ran pretty well after that. In this case it was not an issue with the bike, nor the rider doing something "wrong" but just a facts of life issue.

I could list a dozen examples of issues that were rider/driver action related, but not necessarily a fault of the rider/driver. Lets not take offense where no offense appears to be intended. There are enough intended insults on the internet without our looking for them.
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Old 08-06-2011, 08:20 PM   #7765
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Not having the stalling issue right now I can tell you what I would try as a workaround until the fix was brought out by triumph...I would get the bike nice and hot, then adjust the throttle slack such that it had just enough tension to raise the rpm by 100 or so. Then I would ride it and see if that kept it from stalling if so, great if not I would up it again. That would at least allow me to not always have the "is it gonna stall?" sitting in my head every time I came to a stop while I waited for triumph to provide an update.

Basically the thought behind this is to put in just enough input to the tps to prevent the ecu from falling into the the bad idle mode. This is distinctly different than upping the ecu default idle speed...
The potential problem I can see with this is that some vehicles get really cranky if you start the bike with the throttle partly opened. Not sure about this bike, or how open the throttle would have to be to make it cranky. It IS worth a try, however. If for nothing else than to keep from getting creamed in traffic.
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Old 08-06-2011, 08:24 PM   #7766
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I have not been reading all the posts, so don't know if there is some reason you are being so sensitive and maybe there is a good reason for it, but I read the post.
I have since read some of the posts between you two. I will continue to read them out of morbid curiosity.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:32 PM   #7767
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The potential problem I can see with this is that some vehicles get really cranky if you start the bike with the throttle partly opened. Not sure about this bike, or how open the throttle would have to be to make it cranky. It IS worth a try, however. If for nothing else than to keep from getting creamed in traffic.
As the owner of a stalling bike...can you clarify what you said? You said when you start the bike with the throttle partly opened...do you mean when you start the ignition...or when you use the throttle to accelerate? It's a fuel injected bike..you don't need to give it gas when you start it. Also..last time I checked you need to give it some throttle to get it moving.

Do you have a Tiger that stalls? What are you basing your statement on? My Tiger was great until I took it in for the first service. Then it started stalling. The service manager said they had the same thing happen to their demo bike. It's not due to riding style or whether you give it gas when you start it. It's a flaw in the computer mapping or fuel system. It's a brand new model...most new models have some type of flaw. I have confidence that Triumph will figure it out.
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Old 08-06-2011, 10:01 PM   #7768
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As the owner of a stalling bike...can you clarify what you said? You said when you start the bike with the throttle partly opened...do you mean when you start the ignition...or when you use the throttle to accelerate? It's a fuel injected bike..you don't need to give it gas when you start it. Also..last time I checked you need to give it some throttle to get it moving.

Do you have a Tiger that stalls? What are you basing your statement on? My Tiger was great until I took it in for the first service. Then it started stalling. The service manager said they had the same thing happen to their demo bike. It's not due to riding style or whether you give it gas when you start it. It's a flaw in the computer mapping or fuel system. It's a brand new model...most new models have some type of flaw. I have confidence that Triumph will figure it out.
Spot on.
Just a historical note: Some earlier Triumph's had Cold Start issues .... and for some reason opening the throttle just slightly could help this ... but I'm sure a re-map could do as well. (This on 1050 Tigers ... and other 1050's)

It's also been a common practice with F.I. bikes for ten years to do things like disconnecting battery for a couple minutes, reconnecting.

Also, with ignition ON but bike not running, twist throttle through it's range. Then of course, the famed "let it run 15 minutes to re-set the ECM".
I hate that one and have never done it. But on my Honda VFR did disconnect battery ... and problem went away.

My Vstrom needed careful TPS fiddling and very exact TB sync. Every bike is different, IMHO, I feel Triumph have gone beyond most these primitive methods. I'm sure the proper Tune will solve this once everything else is in alignment.
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Old 08-07-2011, 08:43 AM   #7769
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Old 08-07-2011, 02:33 PM   #7770
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ABS or not to ABS

I found a pretty good deal on a non ABS demo. So it's lead me to question how important ABS is to me. Anyone have advice on this matter?
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