Leather vs. Textile 60mph lowside shredding test - Page 3

P B G · 10-19-2011, 08:59 PM

[QUOTE=Gruesome;17112067]Those Germans (Bavarians, actually, as us other Germans would like to point out) with their Lederhosen!QUOTE]

Most BMW suits are also of extremely high quality when it comes to textiles.

Scholler Dynatec, Real Cordura.

Not just "ballistic nylon" and "textiles" Real padding too.

Zerk · 10-20-2011, 04:43 AM

What I heard is leather will hold up longer, where a textile may be wrecked in one accident. Though you shouldn't be having accidents every day.

Paragon68 · 10-20-2011, 10:40 AM

One thing to remember is that while leather is hands down the best protection, a good textile garment will provide better protection than a pair of Wranglers and a DILLIGAF t-shirt. Just like wearing MX boots on every ride is not practical for everyone, wearing leather is not always practical.

asphaltmueller · 10-20-2011, 11:10 AM

my not-so-special textile equipment didn't show any damage in a highside on gravel/asphalt mix at about 45 mls lately (cage cutting me in a right hand corner).

Broke my collarbone, though.

I'm now wearing my armoured mesh jacket under my textiles, as it does fit quite well.
And while my jacket does hold its protectors quite well, the mesh jacket, which I bought for the hot summers here, does really keep them in place and has more of them

http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...light=Bulgaria

see end of page 1 for the face plant

edith : some of the cheaper pants come with knee protectors, but only empty pockets for the hip protectors - better fill them up immidiately.
When as a beginner I lowsided with max. 15 mls on gravel, the hip hurt 3 weeks. I quickly bought protectors afterwards.

MotoandCo · 10-20-2011, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgeliot

In other words, leather looks cool, but textile is cool.

Pretty much. I did though, simmered in my Stich few times. I enjoy the 50's degree weather we are having right now.

Zerk · 10-20-2011, 01:18 PM

while I don't advise it, I slid down the interstate starting at 80ish in Wranglers. Nothing bad really happened. Some bruises, nothing huge, maybe a scrape. But no huge amount of road rash.

I am not advocating this, but its not as bad as some people say.

IRideASlowBike · 10-20-2011, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerk

while I don't advise it, I slid down the interstate starting at 80ish in Wranglers. Nothing bad really happened. Some bruises, nothing huge, maybe a scrape. But no huge amount of road rash.

I am not advocating this, but its not as bad as some people say.

Yes, now try that again, sliding backwards on your knees.

Zerk · 10-20-2011, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRideASlowBike

Yes, now try that again, sliding backwards on your knees.

Jealous boyfriend pull you back by your hair?

Zerk · 10-20-2011, 04:26 PM

I did get a couple small rips in my leather, which was over 10 years old, and probably not taken care of as well as it should have been. Some of the inside stiching pulled apart from the lining too. Few stiches and it was good to go, though I never tested it. Due to global warming it shrank in the hot sun.

Berto · 10-20-2011, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerk

Jealous boyfriend pull you back by your hair?

IRideASlowBike · 10-20-2011, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerk

Jealous boyfriend pull you back by your hair?

Witty.

No, I totaled my first bike and I was sliding toe-first on my stomach. If I were wearing just jeans, there wouldn't have been much left of my knees, probably.

bimmerx2 · 10-20-2011, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRideASlowBike

Witty.

No, I totaled my first bike and I was sliding toe-first on my stomach. If I were wearing just jeans, there wouldn't have been much left of my knees, probably.

Hey that's my trick!

Went down at the track (well up over and then down to be more precise) at around 100mph. I flipped a few times, was knocked out, then slid face down feet first for a while before hitting the dirt and rolling a few times. My leathers showed most of the damage on the knees from skiding and the shoulder where I landed but nothing wore through and I actually didn't have a scratch or bruise on my whole body. The doc's at the hospital kept asking if I was sure that I actually crashed since there were no visible signs and normally motorcycle crashers come in there bleeding from all over. Then the x-rays came back

. I think the bike, which was flipping along with me, whacked me just for good measure and broke some bones that it turns out I need.

The good thing about leather is that I wore that same suit all year this year since it's still perfectly usable.

Good boots also help if you're planning the face-down technique...

IRideASlowBike · 10-20-2011, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmerx2

Good boots also help if you're planning the face-down technique...

Yep, here are mine:

Steel-toe work boots, got worn down to the steel. I cringe to think that if it weren't for the toecap, that would have been my toes... or what's left of them...

godzuki · 10-21-2011, 06:42 AM

the main thing i try to let people know esspecially newbs is gear up, and get the best stuff you can "afford" normally its not that people dont want the nicer gear its that they cant afford it. i can say with out a doubt without gear i would be dead several times over. my crash this year was the worst ive ever had. my right front brake line rubbed through after a bird strike earlyer in the day. i stopped to look at the radiator but i didnt check my brake lines my fault, kinda a freak accident. i was wearing my normal riding set up regardless of if its 100 or 40 the only thing i change is the layers inside. i was wearing a frank thomas full 1 piece suit leather it has full perf chest and upper legs and entire back, my first inner layer was a columbia wind blocker, then a teknic full length spine protector then a thin high performance fleece long sleeve then cold weather compression top and bottom. i had alpine stars cool max socks knee high with alpine star smx plus boots, i had alpine star sp1 gloves on my hands, i had a arai corsair McCoy replica helmet on. i crashed into the woods at ehhh 50 ish. my helmet took a good hit to the left side, my carbon knuckles on my right hand where crushed in but no rips tears or anything else. my hand was fractured, my suit also had only light scracthes and no holes..........until the paramedics arrived and cut the suit off and everything else but my boxers, they didnt cut off my gloves and did cut off 1 boot. i broke my femur, my tib and my fib and fractured my right hand all breaks where on the right hand side, if i remember right thats what i hit the tree i came to a stop with was my right side.

ive crashed at the track above 130 and walked away with a heat burn from that leather getting realy realy hott as i slide down the track, and a few bruise's. my leathers are still usable to this day with no holes but a few seams busted which were repaired. my gloves where trashed with seams letting go and openings up where you could see my skin but i recieved no damage, my helmet a hjc i bought that morning was destroyed. again i lived

now offroad ive had a good deal more crashes but the safety gear there has done its job well. i think my old chest protector has take so much abuse its not funny, i put it to rest after a sinch strap broke as i was putting it on for a ride. i wont ride with out gear, ive tried riding with jeans and a jacket and i feel naked and exsposed. i have seen crashes with textile gear and the gear is always trashed the people have survived but they took some damage.

right now how ever im at a time in my life where i want to try the adventure bike thing, and i notice almost nobody wears leather most people i see are in textile. i was about to buy a heated jacket off somebody here but i dont know what kinda armor the text jacket has or how good it is. so my plan is to buy a heated liner which i can put in any of my gear and use that. im kinda looking at first gear kat jacket and pants or the joe rocket nano gear but i just dont know if i trust textile enough to do it. i dont care if its a 1 use thing i care that it has to protect me in that 1 use.

high dangler · 10-21-2011, 02:34 PM

i had a high speed wreck on the track 6 years ago and just could not hardly beleive that i didnt have any more than a jamed finger when i got up.
I had never bought much leather gear but to ride the track they require it so I bought it. After the crash I became a gear nazi and use leather all the time on the street .I think i ride better knowing Im covered up.
I really like to look at the scars i got on my track suit . One thing I dont mind spending money on is good gear.

10-20-2011, 04:43 AM	#32
Zerk DILLIGAF Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Straight jacket memories, and sedative highs Oddometer: 3,073	What I heard is leather will hold up longer, where a textile may be wrecked in one accident. Though you shouldn't be having accidents every day. __________________ Berserker In my travelling heart, there's an urge to see foreign lands and alien birds, hear stories that no ones heard-D.A.D. Helmets are like rubbers, you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't-Me.

10-20-2011, 11:10 AM	#34
asphaltmueller nomad acc. § 2(3)AVV Joined: Dec 2008 Location: an Austrian in Ankara Oddometer: 1,000	my not-so-special textile equipment didn't show any damage in a highside on gravel/asphalt mix at about 45 mls lately (cage cutting me in a right hand corner). Broke my collarbone, though. I'm now wearing my armoured mesh jacket under my textiles, as it does fit quite well. And while my jacket does hold its protectors quite well, the mesh jacket, which I bought for the hot summers here, does really keep them in place and has more of them http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...light=Bulgaria see end of page 1 for the face plant edith : some of the cheaper pants come with knee protectors, but only empty pockets for the hip protectors - better fill them up immidiately. When as a beginner I lowsided with max. 15 mls on gravel, the hip hurt 3 weeks. I quickly bought protectors afterwards. __________________ shit happens winter ridehttp://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=658424 riding and camping northwest of Ankara, Turkey http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=519571&highlight=Ankara north India 2007http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11265117#post11265117 asphaltmueller screwed with this post 10-20-2011 at 11:31 AM

10-20-2011, 01:18 PM	#36
Zerk DILLIGAF Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Straight jacket memories, and sedative highs Oddometer: 3,073	while I don't advise it, I slid down the interstate starting at 80ish in Wranglers. Nothing bad really happened. Some bruises, nothing huge, maybe a scrape. But no huge amount of road rash. I am not advocating this, but its not as bad as some people say. __________________ Berserker In my travelling heart, there's an urge to see foreign lands and alien birds, hear stories that no ones heard-D.A.D. Helmets are like rubbers, you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't-Me.

10-20-2011, 04:26 PM	#39
Zerk DILLIGAF Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Straight jacket memories, and sedative highs Oddometer: 3,073	I did get a couple small rips in my leather, which was over 10 years old, and probably not taken care of as well as it should have been. Some of the inside stiching pulled apart from the lining too. Few stiches and it was good to go, though I never tested it. Due to global warming it shrank in the hot sun. __________________ Berserker In my travelling heart, there's an urge to see foreign lands and alien birds, hear stories that no ones heard-D.A.D. Helmets are like rubbers, you know you should wear one, but its so much better when you don't-Me.

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10-19-2011, 08:59 PM	#31
P B G Beastly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Greater Chicago Oddometer: 9,781	[QUOTE=Gruesome;17112067]Those Germans (Bavarians, actually, as us other Germans would like to point out) with their Lederhosen!QUOTE] Most BMW suits are also of extremely high quality when it comes to textiles. Scholler Dynatec, Real Cordura. Not just "ballistic nylon" and "textiles" Real padding too.

10-20-2011, 10:40 AM	#33
Paragon68 Yankie Yuppie Joined: Jun 2009 Location: Asheville, NC Oddometer: 36	One thing to remember is that while leather is hands down the best protection, a good textile garment will provide better protection than a pair of Wranglers and a DILLIGAF t-shirt. Just like wearing MX boots on every ride is not practical for everyone, wearing leather is not always practical.

10-21-2011, 06:42 AM	#44
godzuki Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2011 Location: south bend IN Oddometer: 296	the main thing i try to let people know esspecially newbs is gear up, and get the best stuff you can "afford" normally its not that people dont want the nicer gear its that they cant afford it. i can say with out a doubt without gear i would be dead several times over. my crash this year was the worst ive ever had. my right front brake line rubbed through after a bird strike earlyer in the day. i stopped to look at the radiator but i didnt check my brake lines my fault, kinda a freak accident. i was wearing my normal riding set up regardless of if its 100 or 40 the only thing i change is the layers inside. i was wearing a frank thomas full 1 piece suit leather it has full perf chest and upper legs and entire back, my first inner layer was a columbia wind blocker, then a teknic full length spine protector then a thin high performance fleece long sleeve then cold weather compression top and bottom. i had alpine stars cool max socks knee high with alpine star smx plus boots, i had alpine star sp1 gloves on my hands, i had a arai corsair McCoy replica helmet on. i crashed into the woods at ehhh 50 ish. my helmet took a good hit to the left side, my carbon knuckles on my right hand where crushed in but no rips tears or anything else. my hand was fractured, my suit also had only light scracthes and no holes..........until the paramedics arrived and cut the suit off and everything else but my boxers, they didnt cut off my gloves and did cut off 1 boot. i broke my femur, my tib and my fib and fractured my right hand all breaks where on the right hand side, if i remember right thats what i hit the tree i came to a stop with was my right side. ive crashed at the track above 130 and walked away with a heat burn from that leather getting realy realy hott as i slide down the track, and a few bruise's. my leathers are still usable to this day with no holes but a few seams busted which were repaired. my gloves where trashed with seams letting go and openings up where you could see my skin but i recieved no damage, my helmet a hjc i bought that morning was destroyed. again i lived now offroad ive had a good deal more crashes but the safety gear there has done its job well. i think my old chest protector has take so much abuse its not funny, i put it to rest after a sinch strap broke as i was putting it on for a ride. i wont ride with out gear, ive tried riding with jeans and a jacket and i feel naked and exsposed. i have seen crashes with textile gear and the gear is always trashed the people have survived but they took some damage. right now how ever im at a time in my life where i want to try the adventure bike thing, and i notice almost nobody wears leather most people i see are in textile. i was about to buy a heated jacket off somebody here but i dont know what kinda armor the text jacket has or how good it is. so my plan is to buy a heated liner which i can put in any of my gear and use that. im kinda looking at first gear kat jacket and pants or the joe rocket nano gear but i just dont know if i trust textile enough to do it. i dont care if its a 1 use thing i care that it has to protect me in that 1 use.

10-21-2011, 02:34 PM	#45
high dangler Studly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2011 Location: pa. Oddometer: 535	i had a high speed wreck on the track 6 years ago and just could not hardly beleive that i didnt have any more than a jamed finger when i got up. I had never bought much leather gear but to ride the track they require it so I bought it. After the crash I became a gear nazi and use leather all the time on the street .I think i ride better knowing Im covered up. I really like to look at the scars i got on my track suit . One thing I dont mind spending money on is good gear.