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Old 10-24-2011, 07:46 PM   #9181
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I finally got around to weighing my XC. This is with a full tank of gas, racks, guards, ect...

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Old 10-24-2011, 11:03 PM   #9182
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any comment on the strength of the cast wheels?


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Mr. Eakins was wondering about the T800 and "off-road" handling - I have a T800 and done some limited gravel riding with it so far. With stock Pirelli's I was pleased with how it handled loose marbles, washboard and potholes, it was composed considering I was worried about dumping my new bike. The more I was off road with it the faster I was riding. I rode a Weestrom fitted with Anakee 2's in similar terrain and I liked the T800 better, it felt more planted and instead of sitting "in" the bike as per the Strom I felt to be more on top of the situation which inspired more confidence. I have bought some Shinko 705's to replace the Pirelli's so that I can explore the T800's off-road capabilities further. I won't be looking for single track with the T800 but I won't be shying away from the 2 track. As background my other dual sport experiences have come from a KLR (poor), a KTM 640 Adventure (fun off road but very painful on road so more of a single sport for me) and a DR650 (my favorite dual sport). I bought the T800 for touring with my wife, she likes to bring more goodies on a trip than I want to subject the DR to. Mr. Eakins I hope this helps a bit, I have appreciated your input here on ADV, thanks.
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Old 10-25-2011, 02:52 AM   #9183
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Looks good, have you mounted one on your bike?
Yes, I've mounted this one, but actualy no pics ....
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Old 10-25-2011, 06:57 AM   #9184
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Need a larger fuel tank?


Triumph Tiger 800XC: Thinking ahead in the fast growing adventure touring market, Safari is now developing an approx. 8 gallon fuel tank for the Tiger XC.

http://www.racerxonline.com/2011/04/...oming-releases
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:39 AM   #9185
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Not necessarily; looks like either a 19" or maybe even a 21" front wheel. This immediately puts it in competition with the Yam 1200 Tenere, KTM 990 and BMW R12GS. Cruiser Class ADV/Touring!

19" definitely.

So far no one has mentioned a very major design element on this new bike:

Single Sided Swingarm!!! Triumph only use it on the Speed Triple. I wonder how it will hold up off road?

Hopefully better and stronger than the BMW efforts. AND, it has to have a shaft to entice those die hard BMW idiots, sorry, riders away from the German brand.

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Shaft Drive??
I notice not one photo angle showing the left side of the bike. Is this thing Shaft Drive? God, I hope not. That right there would add about 30 lbs. to the weight.

See above.

Obviously ... won't be as nimble or capable off road as the Tiger 800XC, but should compete well in the "Freighter Class" of ADV bikes.

I agree.

Me? I'll take the 800 ... but not until Triumph knock off another 20 lbs. or so. It's too heavy for an 800 IMHO.

Once you've loaded it up with bash guards, racks, luggage and gear ... you end up riding an over weight Pig that becomes a liability off road and not easy to handle. I've been all through this with BMW GS's and my V-Stroms. I'll stick with a Thumper for time being.

The 800XC is surprisingly nimble when you ride it in all situations. You only feel the weight when you have to pick it up. Apart from that down side, the way it handles give me, at least, the confidence to go and explore those back tracks.
Other current unknowns are :-
Power output. If it's 120+bhp how is the 150/70 rear tyre going to cope?
Wet weight. I think it'll be similar to the Tiger955i which will mean limited dirt road use.
Price. Gotta come in under 10K to beat the BMW.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:58 AM   #9186
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My thoughts.



Other current unknowns are :-
Power output. If it's 120+bhp how is the 150/70 rear tyre going to cope?
Wet weight. I think it'll be similar to the Tiger955i which will mean limited dirt road use.
Price. Gotta come in under 10K to beat the BMW.

You can talk about it all over here... http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=731205
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:15 AM   #9187
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I'm going to stick with the 800, it suits me fine. I tried a 1200GS for size and it just felt far too big and bulky for me and the Tiger 1200 will be a similar size.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:43 AM   #9188
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Triumph Tiger 800XC: Thinking ahead in the fast growing adventure touring market, Safari is now developing an approx. 8 gallon fuel tank for the Tiger XC.

http://www.racerxonline.com/2011/04/...oming-releases
Hell yeh..... bring it NOW!!!

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Old 10-25-2011, 10:45 AM   #9189
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My thoughts.
The 800XC is surprisingly nimble when you ride it in all situations. You only feel the weight when you have to pick it up. Apart from that down side, the way it handles give me, at least, the confidence to go and explore those back tracks.

Other current unknowns are :-
Power output. If it's 120+bhp how is the 150/70 rear tyre going to cope?
Wet weight. I think it'll be similar to the Tiger955i which will mean limited dirt road use.
Price. Gotta come in under 10K to beat the BMW.
This is good to know. Confidence is very important ... good to see so many T800XC guys getting out there doing off road. Excellent! You guys are my heroes ... as I'm not buying a Tiger until I'm sure the thing can stand up to a hammering and survive!

Power
If you use all 120 HP obviously it will be hard on the tire ... any tire. But weight is just as much of a factor. But if Triumph go bigger than 150 section, what would they offer for an off road tire? I think a 150 is fine. Plenty tough. The 12GS probably still has more torque and they do OK.
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:55 AM   #9190
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thanks!
any comment on the strength of the cast wheels?
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Old 10-25-2011, 01:18 PM   #9191
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...More Confused ...

Now with the 1200 coming out which I thought I wanted, I'm not sure if I want ride-by-wire or ABS and traction control so I'm looking back at the 800 roadie . I have owned a 955i S3 and loved the motor I don't need anymore power but don't want to give much up either.

So I'm curious as to if some of you have riden or owned the older 955 tiger and what are your thoughts.

1) Did you give up much in performance from the 955i to the 800 or is it minimal ?

2) Is the 800 good as a two up bike as the 955i was, as this is very important to me?

I've sat on the bike(roadie version) at the dealers and liked its looks and seat height but wasn't sure if I would miss the power of the 955i for two up ,and now not sure if the 1200 went to far the other way. Also the 1050 tiger just doesn't do it for me I don't like the high passenger seat or how the bags sit on the bike. Thanks
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Old 10-25-2011, 03:20 PM   #9192
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Now with the 1200 coming out which I thought I wanted, I'm not sure if I want ride-by-wire or ABS and traction control so I'm looking back at the 800 roadie . I have owned a 955i S3 and loved the motor I don't need anymore power but don't want to give much up either.

So I'm curious as to if some of you have riden or owned the older 955 tiger and what are your thoughts.

1) Did you give up much in performance from the 955i to the 800 or is it minimal ?

2) Is the 800 good as a two up bike as the 955i was, as this is very important to me?

I've sat on the bike(roadie version) at the dealers and liked its looks and seat height but wasn't sure if I would miss the power of the 955i for two up ,and now not sure if the 1200 went to far the other way. Also the 1050 tiger just doesn't do it for me I don't like the high passenger seat or how the bags sit on the bike. Thanks
I still own a Tiger955i and have now done 11500 miles on my XC. I don't think the 800 loses much on the 955 because it weighs about 35Kgs less fully fuelled. To ride it feels much lighter ans swaps from side to side effortlessly compared to the 955 which needs a good tug.
Two up? I can't comment.
My choice between the two 800s was the XC because it was far more stable on the road. The std. 800 felt flighty over lumpy roads and you really needed to hang on to it and the XC didn't lose anything on the road either. The extra off road ability of the XC was, of course, a big bonus too.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:35 PM   #9193
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Got an 06' 955 tiger & 11' 800xc. Like 'em both. The 800 has the power, but more linnear than 955. The Girlie has a surge around 6K rpm that feels like a 'boost' in acceleration. But passing trucks is just as quick on 800 as 955. My wife has her own bike - so cant comment on 2 up performance. The 800 does feel a bit more flickable - even with 21" tire. I still like the 955 for road / touring trips, where dirt isnt on the menu. Both good machines - but if i could only have 1 - it would likely be the 800. But I have NO plans to give up the Girlie.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:50 PM   #9194
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[QUOTE=Rob Dirt;17149181]I finally got around to weighing my XC. This is with a full tank of gas, racks, guards, ect...

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I weighed my 800 ABS roadie the other day out of curiosity. It came in at 490 lbs. 250 pounds on the rear wheel and 240 pounds at the front wheel. This was fully fueled and bone stock, no accessories added (yet).
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:57 PM   #9195
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I'm going to stick with the 800, it suits me fine. I tried a 1200GS for size and it just felt far too big and bulky for me and the Tiger 1200 will be a similar size.

Same here. I just traded my 2009 Varadero in last September for the 800ABS roadie. I only had the Honda "SumoDero" for a year and although it is an awesome bike the weight is significant and all of it up high. I dropped it very slowly once thinking I had the sidestand down (Yes, I know....). I was barely able to bring it back up with my back against the bike and lifting with my legs. Being used to sportbikes, in the end I didn't want the weight. I would be surprised if the new Tiger 1200+ would scale in below 600lbs. Too much for my liking.
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