No stop USA - Page 3

Chadd · 12-02-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sting32

Why is that a best quote to you?

It is the stupidest thing I have heard!!!!!!!!!!

wait, we should also vote, to not wear helmets anymore, since they didnt used to?

Those wool hats they used to wear are pretty stylish

roadholder · 12-02-2011, 12:19 PM

This discussion seems to come up regularly...usually associated with some "how do we fix trials?" conversation or internet thread. Unfortunately opinion is often split between the old school codger types and the "bouncy, bouncy" camps! As already noted here, the best riders will still be on top regardless, and it always comes down to the organizers to walk that fine line between catering to the experts and not pissing off newbies with stupid hard lines. Not an easy task and the risk if you get it wrong is that you WILL soon find yourself dealing with just a small core group of experts! Being somone of that certain age that has one foot in each trials "camp" (riding from the twinshock days to well into the mono-era) I find it hard to dismiss the concerns that have led to the push towards no stop rules.

It's not just about the riding issues discussed here but the whole trials "package" as a sport that has needed a little prodding to (literally!) keep things moving. The recent section time limits at the World Level have helped from a "look and feel" perspective, no longer requiring specatators to suffer through a lengthy session of static balancing and throttle blipping as a rider endlessly stares at the rock face or step to be attempted! Feedback from spectators and riders of other riding disciplines can be telling, and some would argue if you aren't moving then you aren't riding...and may even dismiss the sport as some obscure form of stunt riding rather then the time-honored (and oldest form of) motorcycle sport that it is. No stop rules literally keep things moving, at times taking away the need for turns to be needlessly tight to provide challenge...and further widen the gulf between the the best and not so best riders. From what I have heard, the organizations in Europe that have switched over have seen renewed interest and/or larger turnouts in many cases, so just perhaps the movement towards these rules has some merit.

grizzzly · 12-02-2011, 12:21 PM

The way I learned to ride trials is just that, you should ride the sections. Balancing, hopping and riding backwards is riding, but stopped with a foot down taking a break is not riding.
Our new rules say that we can stop and take a break get our selves and out bike lined up, catch our breath and basically take as long as we like, personally I don’t feel that is what trials is.
Ok with the old rules say your bike gets stuck on a log or in some mud, now you have to put a foot down (while the bike is stopped) to push your self through or off of the obstacle. I don’t think that should be a five.

lineaway · 12-02-2011, 12:41 PM

The worst rule change ever, to be able to stop, put your foot down and reposition your bike and only get a single dab. Yeah that was a great rule change if you couldn`t ride the section. But for the rider with ability you just gave up 4 points. Has nothing to do with riding in the 60`s we are talking of riding in the 90`s.
It was a stupid reason they started changing the rules. Change our sport for TV , hell with any tradition or why we ride. With no stop we would at least have a true points spread again.
So are you new to the sport that you never saw Arron or Young hopping all day long? Back then it was ability,but a dab while stopped was still a 5.
And then they tried no stop again. Then a stop with a 1 which then became a 2 with a dab thrown in with it. Which became a nightmare to score. So here we are again talking about what went wrong with our original simple sport.
So yeah I would take no stop again over the existing rules, and no I will not wear my old hat. I have too many trophy helmets that saved me to ride another day. And if you want to vote for something, how about a beer class at the nationals. Now that would stir the pot just fine, 6 pack a loop.

Or we could just go back to stopping, hopping,backing up just get to the exit, just don`t DAB while stopped,show them all how to clean it type riding cuz you can.
Or does Sting want to stop and reposition his bike?
Bob R.

grizzzly · 12-02-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by roadholder

No stop rules literally keep things moving, at times taking away the need for turns to be needlessly tight to provide challenge...and further widen the gulf between the the best and not so best riders. From what I have heard, the organizations in Europe that have switched over have seen renewed interest and/or larger turnouts in many cases, so just perhaps the movement towards these rules has some merit.

Ok the no stop that your referring to is called enduro

I like trials because of the tight turns and the challenge, and as for the spectators, we don’t sell tickets to events so we don’t much care what they think.

Just my thoughts

grizzzly · 12-02-2011, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lineaway

how about a beer class at the nationals. Now that would stir the pot just fine, 6 pack a loop.

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what happened to the beer trials, and buddy trials annyway
i kinda miss those classes

brewtus · 12-03-2011, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by grizzzly

what happened to the beer trials, and buddy trials annyway
i kinda miss those classes

Had 'em at MacClannahan's Trial last fall.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...=Vintage+Trial

neilking · 12-03-2011, 12:59 PM

I don't know why people keep saying Trials is broken! It's not broke! I think the simpler the rules, the better. Yes it can be frustrating waiting in que while someone bebops around in the section for what seems like forever. If I'm in a hurry I try to get ahead of them. Trials is not a spectator friendly sport, never has been. Spectators like to sit around and watch. I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride my motorsicle.

chainslapAZ · 12-03-2011, 02:42 PM

I think any of the rules like no stop, no rolling backwards, extra points for stopping with a foot down, etc, makes it way to subjective and harder for the observers. Some observers are pretty slack on rolling backwards, whilst others are nazis about it. I am all for the simplest rule-set possible. It's too damn confusing trying to explain all these rules to newbies and I think it deters and drives away a good portion of potential riders.

I also think there are way too many classes, at least in our club. I would prefer a A, B, C, D line with more Ute cup style lines and events myself.

AteamNM · 12-04-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chainslapAZ

I also think there are way too many classes, at least in our club. I would prefer a A, B, C, D line with more Ute cup style lines and events myself.

KISS for the observers. When you have a nano second pause and get a 5, FORGETABIUTIT. But a timed section like nationals, yes. That minimizes the hop all day or............ for a few riders, let me just stand here for a minute or two and act like I have never seen the section in my whole ife and let my fat ass start breathing agin. Not you Brewtus, well maybe the fatass part.

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brewtus · 12-05-2011, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AteamNM

Not you Brewtus, well maybe the fatass part.

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I don't think I deserved that.......

NMTrailboss · 12-05-2011, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brewtus

I don't think I deserved that.......

Clearly you're the victim here!!

grizzzly · 12-05-2011, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NMTrailboss

Clearly you're the victim here!!

screw that i saw him think about moving backwards so give him a 5

(pretty good impersonation wasn’t it)

lineaway · 12-05-2011, 08:19 AM

Sunday, Brewtus was a victim of himself! And I was very entertaine

d Thanks.

NMTrailboss · 12-05-2011, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lineaway

Sunday, Brewtus was a victim of himself! And I was very entertaine

d Thanks.

12-02-2011, 12:21 PM	#33
grizzzly The Pre-Banned Version Joined: Apr 2007 Location: socorro NM Oddometer: 2,729	The way I learned to ride trials is just that, you should ride the sections. Balancing, hopping and riding backwards is riding, but stopped with a foot down taking a break is not riding. Our new rules say that we can stop and take a break get our selves and out bike lined up, catch our breath and basically take as long as we like, personally I don’t feel that is what trials is. Ok with the old rules say your bike gets stuck on a log or in some mud, now you have to put a foot down (while the bike is stopped) to push your self through or off of the obstacle. I don’t think that should be a five. __________________ you actually expect people to take responsibility for their actions in today's society?!

12-03-2011, 12:59 PM	#38
neilking Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, TX Oddometer: 371	I don't know why people keep saying Trials is broken! It's not broke! I think the simpler the rules, the better. Yes it can be frustrating waiting in que while someone bebops around in the section for what seems like forever. If I'm in a hurry I try to get ahead of them. Trials is not a spectator friendly sport, never has been. Spectators like to sit around and watch. I don't want a pickle, I just want to ride my motorsicle. __________________ 74 TY 80 and 250 86 TY350 86 TLR200 95 Sportster 1200 00 Monty 315R 11 Beta 250

12-05-2011, 08:19 AM	#44
lineaway ^OP Studly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2011 Location: nm Oddometer: 772	Sunday, Brewtus was a victim of himself! And I was very entertained Thanks.

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12-02-2011, 12:19 PM	#32
roadholder Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Oddometer: 1,991	This discussion seems to come up regularly...usually associated with some "how do we fix trials?" conversation or internet thread. Unfortunately opinion is often split between the old school codger types and the "bouncy, bouncy" camps! As already noted here, the best riders will still be on top regardless, and it always comes down to the organizers to walk that fine line between catering to the experts and not pissing off newbies with stupid hard lines. Not an easy task and the risk if you get it wrong is that you WILL soon find yourself dealing with just a small core group of experts! Being somone of that certain age that has one foot in each trials "camp" (riding from the twinshock days to well into the mono-era) I find it hard to dismiss the concerns that have led to the push towards no stop rules. It's not just about the riding issues discussed here but the whole trials "package" as a sport that has needed a little prodding to (literally!) keep things moving. The recent section time limits at the World Level have helped from a "look and feel" perspective, no longer requiring specatators to suffer through a lengthy session of static balancing and throttle blipping as a rider endlessly stares at the rock face or step to be attempted! Feedback from spectators and riders of other riding disciplines can be telling, and some would argue if you aren't moving then you aren't riding...and may even dismiss the sport as some obscure form of stunt riding rather then the time-honored (and oldest form of) motorcycle sport that it is. No stop rules literally keep things moving, at times taking away the need for turns to be needlessly tight to provide challenge...and further widen the gulf between the the best and not so best riders. From what I have heard, the organizations in Europe that have switched over have seen renewed interest and/or larger turnouts in many cases, so just perhaps the movement towards these rules has some merit.

12-02-2011, 12:41 PM	#34
lineaway ^OP Studly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2011 Location: nm Oddometer: 772	The worst rule change ever, to be able to stop, put your foot down and reposition your bike and only get a single dab. Yeah that was a great rule change if you couldn`t ride the section. But for the rider with ability you just gave up 4 points. Has nothing to do with riding in the 60`s we are talking of riding in the 90`s. It was a stupid reason they started changing the rules. Change our sport for TV , hell with any tradition or why we ride. With no stop we would at least have a true points spread again. So are you new to the sport that you never saw Arron or Young hopping all day long? Back then it was ability,but a dab while stopped was still a 5. And then they tried no stop again. Then a stop with a 1 which then became a 2 with a dab thrown in with it. Which became a nightmare to score. So here we are again talking about what went wrong with our original simple sport. So yeah I would take no stop again over the existing rules, and no I will not wear my old hat. I have too many trophy helmets that saved me to ride another day. And if you want to vote for something, how about a beer class at the nationals. Now that would stir the pot just fine, 6 pack a loop. Or we could just go back to stopping, hopping,backing up just get to the exit, just don`t DAB while stopped,show them all how to clean it type riding cuz you can. Or does Sting want to stop and reposition his bike? Bob R.

12-03-2011, 02:42 PM	#39
chainslapAZ Adventurer Joined: May 2010 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Oddometer: 33	I think any of the rules like no stop, no rolling backwards, extra points for stopping with a foot down, etc, makes it way to subjective and harder for the observers. Some observers are pretty slack on rolling backwards, whilst others are nazis about it. I am all for the simplest rule-set possible. It's too damn confusing trying to explain all these rules to newbies and I think it deters and drives away a good portion of potential riders. I also think there are way too many classes, at least in our club. I would prefer a A, B, C, D line with more Ute cup style lines and events myself.