Gracie's Hack... DR650 sidewalk chalk build - Page 4

CAVEboy · 12-12-2011, 11:18 AM

lemieuxmc

Thanks for the clarification. I figured this out pretty quickly when bolting everything together yesterday. With the clamps loose the whole frame easily shifted with the weight of the bike confirming what I had thought all along. I'm amazed that some of the frames I've seen on the board work the way they do. Maybe the difference between road duty and heavier use. My clamps didn't slip at all on the road with rigid suspension, but I don't think that will last with further testing. The broken mounts on the above photo seem logical. I have a few easy solutions for resisting the torsion in the clamps, but am going to do a few more test rides around the block with suspension first.

So... suspension ideas. I'm still reading so I should have something worked out soon. Any further frame critiques are welcome. Thanks for the help.

CAVEboy · 12-14-2011, 06:40 AM

Shock came from some 125 dirt bike... pretty stiff. It is working ok though. As was noted, the DR suspension will need some attention to make this thing better, but I rode it around yesterday and I think I can live with its manners around town and in the woods. This is pretty much it other than final touches and powder coat. I'll post up an update when everything is truly finished, but for now I'm pretty happy with how it all turned out.

cwadej · 12-14-2011, 08:21 AM

did you make the tub or find it somehwere? I'd like a smaller tub on my KLR/ Velorex rig.

I went with a shock from Northen Tool,
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ct_22932_22932

It works well so far. I do like the air shock you found, it fits too. I'll have to measure tonight and see if I can fit it in my fender.

cwadej · 12-14-2011, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemieuxmc

I had slippage on my Velorex lower rear clamp on mount. I made a new mount from a single length of tubing that u-bolts to the inner and outer sidecar tubes to eliminate the torsion force, but still allow lead adjustment.

Can you show a picture from above how you tied into the clamp mount? I've having the same issue.

CAVEboy · 12-14-2011, 10:33 AM

The tub was put together with left over aluminum from a duck boat build I did a year or so ago. I am not an accomplished spool gun slinger but I can get by. The edges are a little rough and I don't really plan to clean it up at all. I'm just going to let it all oxidize for a weathered look. The beauty is that it won't rust and I can always clean it up later if needed.

I'm curious what one would have to pay for a sidecar similar to what I built? I'm trying to decide If I did well with the budget or spent more than I should have. Raw materials were my only real cost. Bearings, grade 8 hardware, and rod parts add up quickly though. Not to mention the aluminum for the tub (even though it was left over).

Kyler · 12-14-2011, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAVEboy

I'm curious what one would have to pay for a sidecar similar to what I built? I'm trying to decide If I did well with the budget or spent more than I should have. Raw materials were my only real cost. Bearings, grade 8 hardware, and rod parts add up quickly though. Not to mention the aluminum for the tub (even though it was left over).

I believe the frame and sub-frame alone can be bought from DMC for roughly $2K.

Barnone · 12-14-2011, 01:57 PM

CAVEboy,
Your sidecar looks very good to me but is your dog happy?

CAVEboy · 12-17-2011, 05:55 PM

Enjoy.. we sure did!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UBkx...ature=youtu.be

Just need to work out the harness for the pup before we go out on the road.

lemieuxmc · 12-17-2011, 07:27 PM

If you look at the picture I attached to post #39, you can see the 1.25" square tube that is U-bolted to the Velorex round tubes in place of the clamp on mount. The u-bolts allow it to be moved fore and aft, and there is a short section welded at a 45" angle with a threaded rod and heim joint to allow height adjustment at the lower rear bike mount.

D.Bachtel · 12-18-2011, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAVEboy

Enjoy.. we sure did!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UBkx...ature=youtu.be

Great stuff CAVEboy, nice rig you built there.
Superb workmanship and design.

Gracie looks happy, love the way she leans up against you tucking her head up close to the shroud.

Looking forward to more videos.

Don in Nipomo

Biebs · 03-27-2012, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAVEboy

The tub was put together with left over aluminum from a duck boat build I did a year or so ago. I am not an accomplished spool gun slinger but I can get by. The edges are a little rough and I don't really plan to clean it up at all. I'm just going to let it all oxidize for a weathered look. The beauty is that it won't rust and I can always clean it up later if needed.

I'm curious what one would have to pay for a sidecar similar to what I built? I'm trying to decide If I did well with the budget or spent more than I should have. Raw materials were my only real cost. Bearings, grade 8 hardware, and rod parts add up quickly though. Not to mention the aluminum for the tub (even though it was left over).

Just a point here raw materials do not jump up and do this kind of build on there own. Your time / workmanship are more valuable. This is a great build from scratch / sidewalk chalk. A complete sidecar setup with mouting hardware is expensive. Great job.

TUCKERS · 03-29-2012, 07:37 AM

I really like the scaled down tub, it matches the bike size well. Great job.

MotoJ · 03-30-2012, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAVEboy

Enjoy.. we sure did!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UBkx...ature=youtu.be

Just need to work out the harness for the pup before we go out on the road.

Very cool build- the rig looks great and Gracie looks like she loves riding!

Doggles will protect her eyes from hits with bugs and gravel. A 45mph bumblebee in the eye can be expensive at the vet's.They'd be recommended to go along with a harness...

http://www.baxterboo.com/search.cfm/...FUGo4AodOwy8yw

CAVEboy · 03-31-2012, 06:24 AM

I'll try to get an update posted soon. We have been riding it around town on and off through the winter. Gracie is sporting a nice new harness, but no doggles yet. We are pretty happy with it and I'm getting used to driving it a little more. It is pretty light in the corners without weight in the car but I wouldn't want it any heavier being attached to the DR.

CAVEboy · 04-17-2012, 09:27 PM

A few finished pictures. I bolted some eye bolts behind the seat and use a couple ropes with clips to the dogs harness. It seems to work well. She is tethered just tight enough to keep her in a sitting position. The windshield folds up under the "hood" of the tub when not needed. All the small parts are powder coated and the frame was simply painted. I have hardly taken it off the pavement yet, but so far we have been enjoying it quite a bit. It was a fun project and I think it looks pretty cool too. I feel like I really have to watch out for myself riding around town because of all the head turning and swerving. Fun stuff for sure. I don't know what it is worth, but I would entertain some offers if anyone is interested. We will be moving shortly and space is at a premium. I don't know though, it is pretty cool to just sell it off now. Maybe I'll make room...! Anyways, thanks for all the help from everyone here. It was a blast to build.

12-14-2011, 06:40 AM	#47
CAVEboy ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Kfalls, OR Oddometer: 120	On the Road! Shock came from some 125 dirt bike... pretty stiff. It is working ok though. As was noted, the DR suspension will need some attention to make this thing better, but I rode it around yesterday and I think I can live with its manners around town and in the woods. This is pretty much it other than final touches and powder coat. I'll post up an update when everything is truly finished, but for now I'm pretty happy with how it all turned out.

12-14-2011, 08:21 AM	#48
cwadej Keeper of the truth Joined: May 2008 Location: Arlington, TX Oddometer: 889	did you make the tub or find it somehwere? I'd like a smaller tub on my KLR/ Velorex rig. I went with a shock from Northen Tool, http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ct_22932_22932 It works well so far. I do like the air shock you found, it fits too. I'll have to measure tonight and see if I can fit it in my fender. __________________ ...They will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines! cwadej screwed with this post 12-14-2011 at 08:56 AM

12-14-2011, 10:33 AM	#50
CAVEboy ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Kfalls, OR Oddometer: 120	Thanks for the info The tub was put together with left over aluminum from a duck boat build I did a year or so ago. I am not an accomplished spool gun slinger but I can get by. The edges are a little rough and I don't really plan to clean it up at all. I'm just going to let it all oxidize for a weathered look. The beauty is that it won't rust and I can always clean it up later if needed. I'm curious what one would have to pay for a sidecar similar to what I built? I'm trying to decide If I did well with the budget or spent more than I should have. Raw materials were my only real cost. Bearings, grade 8 hardware, and rod parts add up quickly though. Not to mention the aluminum for the tub (even though it was left over).

12-14-2011, 01:57 PM	#52
Barnone Beastly Adventurer Joined: Mar 2007 Location: WNC SWFL Oddometer: 2,395	CAVEboy, Your sidecar looks very good to me but is your dog happy? __________________ Vince @ SWFL or WNC 2001 Kawasaki W650 2012 Ural Yamal

12-17-2011, 05:55 PM	#53
CAVEboy ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Kfalls, OR Oddometer: 120	Clip Enjoy.. we sure did! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UBkx...ature=youtu.be Just need to work out the harness for the pup before we go out on the road.

12-12-2011, 11:18 AM	#46
CAVEboy ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Kfalls, OR Oddometer: 120	lemieuxmc Thanks for the clarification. I figured this out pretty quickly when bolting everything together yesterday. With the clamps loose the whole frame easily shifted with the weight of the bike confirming what I had thought all along. I'm amazed that some of the frames I've seen on the board work the way they do. Maybe the difference between road duty and heavier use. My clamps didn't slip at all on the road with rigid suspension, but I don't think that will last with further testing. The broken mounts on the above photo seem logical. I have a few easy solutions for resisting the torsion in the clamps, but am going to do a few more test rides around the block with suspension first. So... suspension ideas. I'm still reading so I should have something worked out soon. Any further frame critiques are welcome. Thanks for the help.

12-17-2011, 07:27 PM	#54
lemieuxmc Banned Joined: Mar 2009 Location: East La Jolla... it's just Clairemont!! Oddometer: 3,360	If you look at the picture I attached to post #39, you can see the 1.25" square tube that is U-bolted to the Velorex round tubes in place of the clamp on mount. The u-bolts allow it to be moved fore and aft, and there is a short section welded at a 45" angle with a threaded rod and heim joint to allow height adjustment at the lower rear bike mount. Attached Images

03-29-2012, 07:37 AM	#57
TUCKERS the famous james Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Villa Maria Sanitarium, Claremont, CA. Oddometer: 8,033	I really like the scaled down tub, it matches the bike size well. Great job. __________________ I am not intimidated by the DMV James and Colleen Tucker. Real Cafe Racers drink tea. Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

03-31-2012, 06:24 AM	#59
CAVEboy ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Kfalls, OR Oddometer: 120	I'll try to get an update posted soon. We have been riding it around town on and off through the winter. Gracie is sporting a nice new harness, but no doggles yet. We are pretty happy with it and I'm getting used to driving it a little more. It is pretty light in the corners without weight in the car but I wouldn't want it any heavier being attached to the DR.

04-17-2012, 09:27 PM	#60
CAVEboy ^OP Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Kfalls, OR Oddometer: 120	Update A few finished pictures. I bolted some eye bolts behind the seat and use a couple ropes with clips to the dogs harness. It seems to work well. She is tethered just tight enough to keep her in a sitting position. The windshield folds up under the "hood" of the tub when not needed. All the small parts are powder coated and the frame was simply painted. I have hardly taken it off the pavement yet, but so far we have been enjoying it quite a bit. It was a fun project and I think it looks pretty cool too. I feel like I really have to watch out for myself riding around town because of all the head turning and swerving. Fun stuff for sure. I don't know what it is worth, but I would entertain some offers if anyone is interested. We will be moving shortly and space is at a premium. I don't know though, it is pretty cool to just sell it off now. Maybe I'll make room...! Anyways, thanks for all the help from everyone here. It was a blast to build.

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