Tales From The Bivouac, Dakar 2012 - Page 20

Tarheel Wheeler · 12-30-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadly99

Parc Ferme....

Happy Birthday Deadly Senior.

See SafariBerg's gang has made it thru scrutineering...think I see Rod Faggotter's bad Berg in the background.

What's up with the blue fender on the old school Yamaha scheme in the previous post...somebody grab them a white fender please.

John K · 12-30-2011, 11:08 PM

Nice work Ted. Thanks for all the photos and reports. Looks like I'll need to add a third screen to my PC setup just for this thread

cyborg · 12-30-2011, 11:30 PM

Thanks for sharing your adventure Deadly!

Many of us wonder what it's like on the pit crew side too, if we can't be in the saddle.
I'm sure it's hard work and about to ramp up dramatically very shortly.

So many great threads to keep on, so little time...

doyle · 12-31-2011, 02:07 AM

Deadly99 · 12-31-2011, 03:00 AM

Thanks for the interest

The agenda for today is pretty laid-back. Riders head to a briefing around noon, then a parade through town to a podium thingy for the crowds. The parade route follows a side street along the ocean for about 10 km's and is bound to be packed. This morning we'll get the bulk of the tools, parts, gear, etc packed into and onto the support truck. I'm hoping to head into town for the afternoon to check out circus atmosphere and the vehicles. There may or may not be a briefing for the support teams that I'll need to attend.

Things start to get serious tonight as the lads start racing tomorrow morning and the crew and I hit the road to the first bivouac. Everyone is in good spirits and ready to get this show on the road.

I'm sure it has been discussed in the F5 thread.....new rule this year is the first engine change is a 15 minute penalty, second is 45. Top end work has no penalty.....so.....can a 450 engine do the Dakar with only top end work or do ya take the penalty and do a swap? Not a big deal for some but for others a 15 penalty is significant.........time will tell, BIG decisions will need to be made by all the top guys

barrier · 12-31-2011, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadly99

I'm sure it has been discussed in the F5 thread.....new rule this year is the first engine change is a 15 minute penalty, second is 45. Top end work has no penalty.....so.....can a 450 engine do the Dakar with only top end work or do ya take the penalty and do a swap? Not a big deal for some but for others a 15 penalty is significant.........time will tell, BIG decisions will need to be made by all the top guys

Maybe this is why Cyril and Marc are in the same team this year? 'Team decision' to change their engines at the same time once they have pulled a lead on the other riders!?

(Presumptuous of me I know!) If they were in different teams the temptation would be to delay a change but the risk is a DNF!

Wouldn't look good for KTM so this way they will take the decision away from them!

Brodovitch · 12-31-2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by barrier

Maybe this is why Cyril and Marc are in the same team this year? 'Team decision' to change their engines at the same time once they have pulled a lead on the other riders!?

(Presumptuous of me I know!) If they were in different teams the temptation would be to delay a change but the risk is a DNF!

Wouldn't look good for KTM so this way they will take the decision away from them!

excellent point

Deadly99 · 12-31-2011, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Brodovitch

excellent point

If I was a betting man I'd lay my money on some top teams doing the entire race with one lower end and multiple top end work...just a hunch.

tehdutchie · 12-31-2011, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by barrier

Maybe this is why Cyril and Marc are in the same team this year? 'Team decision' to change their engines at the same time once they have pulled a lead on the other riders!?

(Presumptuous of me I know!) If they were in different teams the temptation would be to delay a change but the risk is a DNF!

Wouldn't look good for KTM so this way they will take the decision away from them!

Lol, you think Cyril joined the KTM team because of a 15 minute engine rule?? Making me laugh and cry at the same time.
You get bigger penalties for speeding alone

Plenty of stuff around why Cyril closed up shop on his own team and they now run together in a 'single' factory.

Internal politics and scheming have started months and months with all scenarios being considered, what tyres for what stage, when to change engine, earlier then Coma, later etc etc.

tehdutchie · 12-31-2011, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadly99

If I was a betting man I'd lay my money on some top teams doing the entire race with one lower end and multiple top end work...just a hunch.

Indeed, but i dont think the works 450's can handle it... Ktm had to swap earlier then expcted last year, only Aprilia can do the distance if you ask me. Yammies were changing engine freely... The gap is just going to widen more and more i guess..

Top 2 within 20 minutes, top 5 within 2 hours of the leader and the rest at over 4 hours by the time we reach the finish, no?

Bluebull2007 · 12-31-2011, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tehdutchie

Indeed, but i dont think the works 450's can handle it... Ktm had to swap earlier then expcted last year, only Aprilia can do the distance if you ask me. Yammies were changing engine freely... The gap is just going to widen more and more i guess..

Top 2 within 20 minutes, top 5 within 2 hours of the leader and the rest at over 4 hours by the time we reach the finish, no?

When Fretigne was riding Dakar on his WR 450 he went the whole distance on one engine until Stage 12 but only changed it because he lost all his oil that day. He still got in on no oil though.

tehdutchie · 12-31-2011, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluebull2007

When Fretigne was riding Dakar on his WR 450 he went the whole distance on one engine until Stage 12 but only changed it because he lost all his oil that day. He still got in on no oil though.

What year was that then?

What i hear(d) about last year that they went through quite a few engine, before then (yamaha team holland sources) engine were fit, swapped left right and center.. Heading out on the stages swapping engines....

Flood · 12-31-2011, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadly99

If I was a betting man I'd lay my money on some top teams doing the entire race with one lower end and multiple top end work...just a hunch.

My bet is on a gentleman's agreement that the top teams all plan on one engine change on the rest day.

MEGO · 12-31-2011, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nicogc

ohh!!! i just love the design on this Yamaha

Classic!!!!!!!!

And CLASSIC is also the rider of this YAM : You can see him just center photo, with light green polo: FRANCO PICCO !!!!!!!!!
3RD overall in 1985 DAKAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely amazing to see a piece of Dakar bike history still race (and how fast race!!!)

Bluebull2007 · 12-31-2011, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tehdutchie

What year was that then?

What i hear(d) about last year that they went through quite a few engine, before then (yamaha team holland sources) engine were fit, swapped left right and center.. Heading out on the stages swapping engines....

That was in 2009. I don't know what happened with Yamaha last year.

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Deadly99 ^OP Fast and Far Joined: Apr 2008 Location: Merrickville, Canada Oddometer: 6,830	Thanks for the interest The agenda for today is pretty laid-back. Riders head to a briefing around noon, then a parade through town to a podium thingy for the crowds. The parade route follows a side street along the ocean for about 10 km's and is bound to be packed. This morning we'll get the bulk of the tools, parts, gear, etc packed into and onto the support truck. I'm hoping to head into town for the afternoon to check out circus atmosphere and the vehicles. There may or may not be a briefing for the support teams that I'll need to attend. Things start to get serious tonight as the lads start racing tomorrow morning and the crew and I hit the road to the first bivouac. Everyone is in good spirits and ready to get this show on the road. I'm sure it has been discussed in the F5 thread.....new rule this year is the first engine change is a 15 minute penalty, second is 45. Top end work has no penalty.....so.....can a 450 engine do the Dakar with only top end work or do ya take the penalty and do a swap? Not a big deal for some but for others a 15 penalty is significant.........time will tell, BIG decisions will need to be made by all the top guys __________________ *www.GravelTravel.ca Canadas Source For Overland Routes* Tales From The Bivouac Rally Print Publications *TCAT Trans Canadian Adventure Trail 15, 000 km GPS route across Canada* Deadly99 screwed with this post 12-31-2011 at 03:08 AM

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12-30-2011, 11:30 PM	#288
cyborg Potius Sero Quam Numquam Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Pacific NorthWet Oddometer: 4,398	Thanks for sharing your adventure Deadly! Many of us wonder what it's like on the pit crew side too, if we can't be in the saddle. I'm sure it's hard work and about to ramp up dramatically very shortly. So many great threads to keep on, so little time...