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Old 08-22-2011, 12:17 PM   #16
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Great review, Cortez - thanks! Now the big question - which do you like better - the People GTi or the Downtown 300? And why? I'm getting the bug for a scooter I can tour on that gets great gas mileage, was thinking Burgman 400 but should I consider these new scoots?
For pure touring purposes, I wouldn't be surprised if Burgman 400
(or SW400/Majesty 400) would do better, but haven't ridden ANY of
these, I can't really tell.

From what I've heard from people who HAVE ridden the Downtown AND
any of the 3 jap bikes, other then comfort/roomier accommodations
(some will mention the higher top speed too), there might be nothing
else worth paying extra for on these. At least not THAT much extra.

Between the Downtown and People, for me, it's an easy choice.
Downtown all the way!

Even if the People probably IS a better choice for 80-90% of in-town
riding, I'm a GT scoot dude and I loved the Downtown for it's looks,
seating position, huge storage and great performance.

There's no doubt the People is more fun, but Downtown will handle
touring duties better, and it felt lighter on it's feet (smaller wheels
and huge handlebars FTW?) then the People.

Also, it behaved better cornering at speed, less frame flex (not that
there's anything to worry about on the People) and faster at speeds
above 60mph.

The Downtown also responds extremely well to Dr Pulley sliders and
it would make a mandatory upgrade in my book, making it even faster
off the line, and it'll cruise at lower RPMs at speeds over 60mph.

I was a bit worried about high revving at higher speeds, but 30hp out
of 300cc can't be achieved differently, and I'm sure Kymco knows what
they're doing.

I can honestly say I could live with Downtown 300 if I ever sell my
Kawasaki, but no one seems to be interested right now..

I'd love to try the Xciting 500Ri EVO too, but that's not about to happen
since none were EVER sold here..

Feel free to ask anything specific if I missed anything.. you were more then
helpful when I was buying my Agility 125!
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:24 AM   #17
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One more dumb opinion question please Cortez!
Have you ridden the Piaggio 300 (278?) motor in something (coz I haven't ridden the Downtown or the GTI)?
Reason for asking.........
Prices in Oz.
Burgman400 $9500
Tmax $12000
Vespa GTS 300 $8500 (a white one please)
Downtown $7500
GTI People $7500 (apparently, but not official yet)
Piaggio X7 300i $6000

Piaggio X7 300i AND Malossi 4v kit (head, piston, cam)..........$7250

Makes it a tough decision.
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:33 AM   #18
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One more dumb opinion question please Cortez!
Have you ridden the Piaggio 300 (278?) motor in something (coz I haven't ridden the Downtown or the GTI)?
Reason for asking.........
Prices in Oz.
Burgman400 $9500
Tmax $12000
Vespa GTS 300 $8500 (a white one please)
Downtown $7500
GTI People $7500 (apparently, but not official yet)
Piaggio X7 300i $6000

Piaggio X7 300i AND Malossi 4v kit (head, piston, cam)..........$7250

Makes it a tough decision.
I have ridden a few 250/300 piaggio quasar based scooters, the new
BV/Beverly 300 not that long ago ad it, well.. doesn't compare well.

Other then big wheels, I felt cramped on it (5'11"), pushed to much
to the front by the seat shape (which was too small and rather
uncomfortable), there was NO wind protection (I imagine Vespa GTS
would be about the same) etc.

Haven't tried any of the ones you mentioned, but recall a 7 scooter
shootout in a local mag (that the Downtown won, Xmax 250 was
2nd) that mentioned how the X7 300 was the fastest accelerating
piaggio scoot using that engine, but the top speed was like 75mph
or sumthn.. :-\

The Piaggio 250/300 engine is silky/electric-engine-like smooth but
does nothing for me in terms of performance after you try any of the
Kymcos with the G5 300cc engine.

I guess it boils down to what you want from your scooter, the Tmax
and Burgman 400 shouldn't be on your list with all the others.. or
vice versa. Apples and oranges.

Downtown is something halfway between a Burger and an X7 for
example.
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:41 AM   #19
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OK.
I figured the prices would be a bit of a comparison, and a Tmax is like a "big-brother" Downtown I spose.
And I JUST, JUST missed out on a Vespa GT200 for $1000, engine in bits (like in boxes bits!). I would have been on the phone to SIP before the day was out if I'd got there quick enough, crank as well in the order of course. A GT200 with a 260-ish cc with ported Malossi 4V kit would have been fun.......
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Old 08-27-2011, 10:21 PM   #20
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Nice review looks like a great little Scoot!

I wander how optimistic the lier of a Speedo it has claiming 100 MPH is? Although it SHOULD be able to do a true 100 MPH with 300 cc, the Ninja 250 is probably not much heavier and does over a true 100 MPH with 249 cc.
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Old 08-28-2011, 08:55 AM   #21
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Nice review looks like a great little Scoot!

I wander how optimistic the lier of a Speedo it has claiming 100 MPH is? Although it SHOULD be able to do a true 100 MPH with 300 cc, the Ninja 250 is probably not much heavier and does over a true 100 MPH with 249 cc.
I haven't checked the speedo accuracy, didn't have enough time with the
bike, but with 28hp, I seriously doubt it can do true 100mph, even with
different gearing.
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Old 08-28-2011, 01:41 PM   #22
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For pure touring purposes, I wouldn't be surprised if Burgman 400
(or SW400/Majesty 400) would do better, but haven't ridden ANY of
these, I can't really tell.

From what I've heard from people who HAVE ridden the Downtown AND
any of the 3 jap bikes, other then comfort/roomier accommodations
(some will mention the higher top speed too), there might be nothing
else worth paying extra for on these. At least not THAT much extra.

Between the Downtown and People, for me, it's an easy choice.
Downtown all the way!

Even if the People probably IS a better choice for 80-90% of in-town
riding, I'm a GT scoot dude and I loved the Downtown for it's looks,
seating position, huge storage and great performance.

There's no doubt the People is more fun, but Downtown will handle
touring duties better, and it felt lighter on it's feet (smaller wheels
and huge handlebars FTW?) then the People.

Also, it behaved better cornering at speed, less frame flex (not that
there's anything to worry about on the People) and faster at speeds
above 60mph.

The Downtown also responds extremely well to Dr Pulley sliders and
it would make a mandatory upgrade in my book, making it even faster
off the line, and it'll cruise at lower RPMs at speeds over 60mph.

I was a bit worried about high revving at higher speeds, but 30hp out
of 300cc can't be achieved differently, and I'm sure Kymco knows what
they're doing.

I can honestly say I could live with Downtown 300 if I ever sell my
Kawasaki, but no one seems to be interested right now..

I'd love to try the Xciting 500Ri EVO too, but that's not about to happen
since none were EVER sold here..

Feel free to ask anything specific if I missed anything.. you were more then
helpful when I was buying my Agility 125!
Thanks Cortez! Due to on-going back issues, I have decided to sell both my DR650 (will be posting that one in the flea market tomorrow) and my Shadow (already have two seriously interested buyers for that one) and replacing both of them with a maxi-touring scooter. My doctor has told me to stay on pavement due to my back and my girlfriend has decided that riding scares her. So I have narrowed down the field to 5 choices: Burgman 650, Burgman 400, Silverwing, Tmax and Majesty. I need at least 400cc and if I do some LD touring (which is my hope if I can get my back problems cured), I probably will want a twin cylinder scooter. I've test ridden all of them except the Silverwing and Tmax. Burgman 650 is a really nice bike but a bit big for my tastes, I liked the size of the Burgman 400 and the Majesty. Looking forward to trying the other two before I make my decision.
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:29 AM   #23
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If it's primary purpose will be touring, I'd just get the 650 and be done with it.


Tmax for touring?
Sure, probably more comfortable then my Ninja 650, but
I'd put that one in the last place for touring duty.

I've worked at a bike shop in 2003/04 and became great friends with the
owners, and since they carry Kymco now, it makes sense buying one, since
I can get all the work done on it a bit under sticker price, and I've got over
10k trouble-free miles (in just over a year) on my Agility 125 so I've got no
doubts about their higher end models.

I don't know if you researched the Xciting 500, but I've seen some silly low
prices for 500Ri ABS models in USA. Wish I can get one that cheap.. but
I'll be paying over $9k for mine.. when the time comes.
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Old 08-29-2011, 08:38 AM   #24
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Nice review Cortez.... as you anticipate many of the questions one would ask when looking at a scoot.

Just a side note. All this clamoring for wind protection makes scooter guys seem like a bunch of wimps. I have done many trips on my harley and I have never had a screen (other than my FF helmet.) Are your neck muscles that weak guys?... get to the gym. When I am on the passport and topping out at 42mph I don't even need eye protection. MY baby blues don't start watering until 50. A screen is nice but you guys use it as a deal breaker on an otherwise perfectly exceptional purchase. Screens are a personal choice to be sure, but in town riding?? you really need a screen??? and your doing 40-45?!?!?

Anyway, I would love to ride this scoot. Thanks again for the review.
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Old 08-29-2011, 08:46 AM   #25
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Nice review Cortez.... as you anticipate many of the questions one would ask when looking at a scoot.

Just a side note. All this clamoring for wind protection makes scooter guys seem like a bunch of wimps. I have done many trips on my harley and I have never had a screen (other than my FF helmet.) Are your neck muscles that weak guys?... get to the gym. When I am on the passport and topping out at 42mph I don't even need eye protection. MY baby blues don't start watering until 50. A screen is nice but you guys use it as a deal breaker on an otherwise perfectly exceptional purchase. Screens are a personal choice to be sure, but in town riding?? you really need a screen??? and your doing 40-45?!?!?

Anyway, I would love to ride this scoot. Thanks again for the review.
You're welcome!

As for the windscreen, it's more of a turbulence issue, then actually wind
protection issue for me, as I've never been happy with the wind screen on
my Kawasaki.

Turbulence won't go away with stronger neck muscles and can make the
ride unbearable after a very short period of time!

Free flowing air on a naked bike is great.. but some of us ride in the winter
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I watched the "Agility @ 130" clip too........HA!HA!HA!

I kep waiting for the crank and rod to spin out into the bush!
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Nice review Cortez.... as you anticipate many of the questions one would ask when looking at a scoot.

Just a side note. All this clamoring for wind protection makes scooter guys seem like a bunch of wimps. I have done many trips on my harley and I have never had a screen (other than my FF helmet.) Are your neck muscles that weak guys?... get to the gym. When I am on the passport and topping out at 42mph I don't even need eye protection. MY baby blues don't start watering until 50. A screen is nice but you guys use it as a deal breaker on an otherwise perfectly exceptional purchase. Screens are a personal choice to be sure, but in town riding?? you really need a screen??? and your doing 40-45?!?!?

Anyway, I would love to ride this scoot. Thanks again for the review.

When you commute year round in temperatures as low as 15f you are nuts to ride without a windshield. Why freeze when a $100 piece of plastic can solve your problems. When I look at someone riding in sub 30 temps without a windscreen I don't think tough guy, I think idiot.
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great review cortez!

i have been absent a bit and its nice to return and see this. i don't think it was mentioned itt anywhere but what is foot space like on that flat floor? do you think a size 13, U.S. shoe would fit it?

i hopes so
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:52 AM   #29
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great review cortez!

i have been absent a bit and its nice to return and see this. i don't think it was mentioned itt anywhere but what is foot space like on that flat floor? do you think a size 13, U.S. shoe would fit it?

i hopes so


Mine are 9,5 but I think you'll be fine

However I had issues with where to put my feet on the Beverly/BV300 (2011)!
I got more room on my tiny Agility 125.
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cortez thanks for the info. I think when the day comes for me to have a bigger scooter I may go with Kymco, yes a B400 or 400 yamaha looks nicer now, how ever sometimes you do not need all that plastic to be happy, do you?

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