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Old 01-29-2012, 09:57 PM   #1456
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I am a very average rider.

But for example I've done some distance on OZ outback roads, with my wife and luggage for 4 weeks loaded. I am not sure if I would have been able to do this with my previous DL1000. Alone may be, two up ... I doubt it. Probably it would have dropped fairing parts into the landscape and the headlights would dangle down attached to the wire harness in front of the handle bars.

As we have seen lately on the example of new bikes launched, it seems not easy making a bike with the kind of versatility the GS offers, the super-easy rideability, and the (relatively) low weight for its size. There are many bikes in the market yet no bike rides like the GS. And that is why we pay for it, and why we sometimes (grudgingly) accept its less than satisfactory failure rate.

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Old 01-30-2012, 05:50 AM   #1457
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Funny to read the comments that the MTS is not a tall guy's bike. I'm 5'7", and the "in cabin" ergos are perfect for me. No stepladder comments.
Those comments surprised me as well. I'm 6'1", 34" inseam and I thought the MTS ergos were outstanding.

Checking cycle-ergo.com, looks like I have a 78* angle on the MTS and an 81* angle on the GS.
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Old 01-30-2012, 09:33 PM   #1458
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Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.


Doesn't this seem odd? Lunch a cylinder and lunch an engine. Doesn't sound reasonable to me. Has any other company done this?
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Old 01-30-2012, 09:46 PM   #1459
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Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.


Doesn't this seem odd? Lunch a cylinder and lunch an engine. Doesn't sound reasonable to me. Has any other company done this?
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Well, it took a while but, some are finally realizing that this might be a throw away engine! As in not rebuildable?
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:28 AM   #1460
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Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.


Doesn't this seem odd? Lunch a cylinder and lunch an engine. Doesn't sound reasonable to me. Has any other company done this?
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Many, if not most, MC engines are built like that these days.

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Old 01-31-2012, 07:34 AM   #1461
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Well, it took a while but, some are finally realizing that this might be a throw away engine! As in not rebuildable?
That is simply the silliest thing I have ever heard.
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Old 01-31-2012, 07:58 AM   #1462
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Someone in the German forum claimed he has recently seen the 1250 LC engine personally, without giving details about where and when.

He said the cylinders appeared being huge and they are casted to the engine casing, which is split in the center.


Doesn't this seem odd? Lunch a cylinder and lunch an engine. Doesn't sound reasonable to me. Has any other company done this?
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This is the way automobile engines have been made for several decades now. Some use cylinder liners, some use plating i.e. nickasil i.e. BMW , Porsche etc

No big deal here. Less weight, less parts, lower cost. i.e. moving into the 20th century(i.e. the last one)
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:19 AM   #1463
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This is the way automobile engines have been made for several decades now. Some use cylinder liners, some use plating i.e. nickasil i.e. BMW , Porsche etc

No big deal here. Less weight, less parts, lower cost. i.e. moving into the 20th century(i.e. the last one)
Less oil leaks too :
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:11 AM   #1464
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No big deal here. Less weight, less parts, lower cost. i.e. moving into the 20th century(i.e. the last one)
While true, how many of those engine configurations have cylinders hanging outside the vehicle?

I'd hate to see what would happen if this were a unified engine casting:



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Old 01-31-2012, 01:10 PM   #1465
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David Robb leaving....

New guy is from India (Bajaj Auto LTD) starting July 1st. 2012.
He was working for BMW before, in charge of the design evolution from R 1150 GS to R 1200 GS...
What does that mean for the R1250LC GS?

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Robb and von Kuehnheim were a good team...

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Old 01-31-2012, 02:09 PM   #1466
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While true, how many of those engine configurations have cylinders hanging outside the vehicle?

I'd hate to see what would happen if this were a unified engine casting:



It seems you would propose to move away from the boxer engine....with the jugs needlessly sticking out....and go to some thing like the "brick" or the more current parallel twin aka f800GS, yamaha Tinerie(ooops spelling), honda and others. All of these have cylinders as integral castings within the whole block.
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Old 01-31-2012, 02:31 PM   #1467
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It seems you would propose to move away from the boxer engine....with the jugs needlessly sticking out....and go to some thing like the "brick" or the more current parallel twin aka f800GS, yamaha Tinerie(ooops spelling), honda and others. All of these have cylinders as integral castings within the whole block.
Not proposing anything at all. Just bringing to light that a common cylinder / engine casting in automobile sees different service (as well as service life) than our Boxers. With the pics, I was only pointing out a possible situation which might not bode well for a unified design.

Also, from von Kuehnheim's earlier interview and insight. . . it makes me wonder if the images we've seen are development mules for the engine, related castings and design-and nothing more. Just a passing thought, since the bodywork isnt moving the aesthetic forward in any significant way. . .
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:04 PM   #1468
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I'd hate to see what would happen if this were a unified engine casting:
it looks like a lot of damage to the cylinder heads, not the cylinder. Did the cylinders need to be replaced in your example?
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:18 PM   #1469
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That is simply the silliest thing I have ever heard.
C'mon, I can out-silly that in my sleep!
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Old 02-01-2012, 02:43 AM   #1470
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That is simply the silliest thing I have ever heard.
OK hot shot, explain to us all how a Nikasil lined cylinder that is cast into the block can be rebored/rebuilt? I had Yamaha enduros in the 70s. If you lunched a cylinder you had to replace it period! They can't be bored! Only savior to this new design is if it has a liner inside that can be replaced. This is the only thing that would allow you to rebuild without replacing the engine block. If you know of another way by all means share it with everyone. Future BMW owners may need to know! BMW doesn't want to sell the best bike built anymore they want to sell the most bikes and parts they can. They even tried to do away with the final drive vent and tell you it had life time fluid. Now that was the silliest thing I have ever heard. Almost as silly as when BMW dealers tell you the final drives don't fail!
Are you willing to trade off your slash 2 for one of the new water cooled boxers?
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