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Old 02-07-2012, 10:11 AM   #766
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i have a honda car and dig it. they are really good at building cars theses days & imo at the expense of their motorcycle biz.
i've owned honda bikes and in the end disapointed how things have gone with their bikes over the last 10 years. yes the price is awesome and my wife likes the look, but alas no abs and she doesn't want a scooter transmission. it's kinda the beginning of the neutering of the motorcycle experience.

i'd be interested in the crossrunner as a street bike as it uses the vfr motor and is upright.
honda used a little nicer components but still cheaped out on the suspension. it's almost like they're ignoring the suspension on these bikes.
You're a Honda hater, we get it already!

The suspension, you don't have to think about it, probably a good thing. It's good enough for the price point. Honda is making some good new bikes which may bring more success over the next 10 years, they're turning it around.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:14 AM   #767
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As for the auto transmission, get it, don't get it, whichever you prefer. I'd like to try it, who wouldn't want an auto to run through the city or take a little trip to the mountains? I'm just too cheap, to pay extra for it.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:21 AM   #768
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You're a Honda hater, we get it already!

The suspension, you don't have to think about it, probably a good thing. It's good enough for the price point. Honda is making some good new bikes which may bring more success over the next 10 years, they're turning it around.
nope. just disappointed. i like the new crf250l and might choose a transalp over the strom if it was in the us. i've owned several honda's in the past in can see one again in the future. i'm a complete fan of japanese machines!
i own a honda suv, so if i hated honda i would have bought a toyota. honda engineers amazing machines but they keep talking me out of buying another one. where is the FI xr700l? where is the transalp in the us? why has the crf250L taken so long? why is the crosstourer no mention to the us? we got the nc only and once again honda has me looking elsewhere. i need a new bike when i'm back in the us and the strom or versys are where it's at.

so ignoring the suspension and saying it's good enough helps you how? guess if you ride slowly that works.
me personally i like good suspension and push mine to it's limits.
i've updated mine on my dr as stock was weak.
i like how the euros use quality suspension components even on their mid bikes..and dislike how the japanese force us to upgrade right away. but it is what it is.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:27 AM   #769
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As for the auto transmission, get it, don't get it, whichever you prefer. I'd like to try it, who wouldn't want an auto to run through the city or take a little trip to the mountains? I'm just too cheap, to pay extra for it.
many of us still like to shift. it's the full body experience that motorcycling is!
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:39 AM   #770
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You're a Honda hater, we get it already!
I don't think so. I think his post was pretty dead on what Honda is doing. Trying all over the place but really never building something that is actually as good as the old VFR, Africa Twin, ST1100, ... you name it, was. It's a shame, but Honda today builds a lot of half-assed weirdnesses.

In Europe they still have some really decent and good looking bikes, but in the US? Forget about it.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:00 PM   #771
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In Europe they still have some really decent and good looking bikes, but in the US? Forget about it.
Honda is a lot like the Empire.
They keep giving us Imperial Walkers and Death Stars when we really want a T16 for Wamprats.
It's like being stuck on Endor with only race replicas to ride at 200 kph through the forest and swamps.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:29 PM   #772
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i need a new bike when i'm back in the us and the strom or versys are where it's at.

so ignoring the suspension and saying it's good enough helps you how? guess if you ride slowly that works.
me personally i like good suspension and push mine to it's limits.
i've updated mine on my dr as stock was weak.
i like how the euros use quality suspension components even on their mid bikes..and dislike how the japanese force us to upgrade right away. but it is what it is.


Come on brother, it's $ 6995! A Strom and a Versys come with similar, cheap, non-adjustable suspension too.
More, and or thicker fork oil often helps a ton, shortening the stock springs, or replacing them are all cheap upgrades for a front end. Many Euro bikes come with better suspension, but then again they cost more. Depending upon a rider's style and weight not every bike needs an upgrade. When I had a VFR I never felt enough of a need to replace it's rear shock, but then again I only weigh about 175. If I weighed over 200 lbs, it might have been a different story.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:20 PM   #773
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Come on brother, it's $ 6995! A Strom and a Versys come with similar, cheap, non-adjustable suspension too.
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My Versys has adjustable suspension.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:26 PM   #774
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Come on brother, it's $ 6995! A Strom and a Versys come with similar, cheap, non-adjustable suspension too.
Beggin' yer pardon, but the Versys features adjustable pre-load and damping front and rear.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:38 PM   #775
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Hi edgy999.

Looking forward to your review of the NC700X.... if you could give your opinion of how it handlesrides/pulls 2up passenger seat comfort etc, would be appreciated. I know the score in Wales yep, watch out for the rozzers mate.

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Me too. Not because I will own this bike, but because in about 5 years my son will be able to ride one due to new Euro regs (aged under 24, he'll be stuck with 47bhp or less, which this bike is designed to cater for).

OTOH I might just get my Versys restricted by then, and buy an extra bike for myself. Either way, even though the 700X is not my kind of bike, I'll be reading edgy's impressions.
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:13 PM   #776
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Come on brother, it's $ 6995! A Strom and a Versys come with similar, cheap, non-adjustable suspension too.
More, and or thicker fork oil often helps a ton, shortening the stock springs, or replacing them are all cheap upgrades for a front end. Many Euro bikes come with better suspension, but then again they cost more. Depending upon a rider's style and weight not every bike needs an upgrade. When I had a VFR I never felt enough of a need to replace it's rear shock, but then again I only weigh about 175. If I weighed over 200 lbs, it might have been a different story.
yes it is and for $900 more kawasaki versys http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/pro...ns.aspx?id=572 get it done w/ better suspension (adjustable & USD up front) & alot more motor punch and for $400 more the strom gets you into abs (but less quality suspension) & once again an awesome motor http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%...12/DL650A.aspx .

prior to this bike honda was most always priced too high comparatively to the other 3 japanese and i applaud them for reversing that trend. imo they unfortunately swung too far the other way, just to be the cheapest. i'd say if they matched the versys in price $7900 but included abs they would have offered a package many would think twice about and by coming in $400 less than the strom w/ abs they have that sold up too.

unless you're bottom price only (and you probably buy a klr or dr anyway) someone spending $7k is gonna say ok for a few bucks more what else do i get??? and that answer might not please honda.

i don't hate the bike. infact it's moving forward what honda is doing if they had played their cards right here in the US...we always get the short end of the stick however.

honda na pricing trick to tie abs only to the dct is just a ploy to sell that auto technology (to those who might not want it anyway) in their attempt to know better than the customer what we want.
guess we'll see how the sales figures pan out and THAT will be the true litmus test.
hasn't gone so well for the other auto bikes...
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:34 PM   #777
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Mods please put this thread out of its misery... or at least move it to Road Warriors - I can't even SEE the trail anymore !
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:46 PM   #778
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Cant believe this thing will get 70 mpg. lets hope more makers will start bringing out larger bikes that are fuel efficient.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:18 PM   #779
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Cant believe this thing will get 70 mpg. lets hope more makers will start bringing out larger bikes that are fuel efficient.

They do, it's just they are a lot bigger. GS and S10 fuel economy can be really good, The new Stroms are good and can very close. AS FAR AS WE KNOW.

The only things that changes that is that the motors CAN be revved harder and WILL start gulping fuel.

What the NC will do when riding with the other bikes at the same speed in the real world is yet to be seen. It may even be better than claimed.

It may be way better sometimes and not much different at others. time will tell.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:12 AM   #780
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Dunno guys, is this thing a motorcycle or a scooter?


Apparently the engine is derived from the Honda Jazz automobile, and if you've ever driven one of those then you know what a boring engine they've plugged into this new moto-scooter.



50Hp, a redline at 6500 RPM and the most basic or suspensions... Wow, how exciting is that?

I could see this moto-scooter appealing to non-motorcyclists looking for a fuel efficient commuter vehicle. Other than that, I can't really imagine who would buy such a thing...

Honda's already got the VFR powered Crossrunner. Could this scooter dressed in mc clothes be the shemale equivalent in the motorcycle world? The Honda Crossdresser???
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