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Old 03-15-2012, 07:20 AM   #1
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2020 car tech may just stop most motorycle / car crashes

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41239280/New_...revent_Crashes

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...139798693.html

It seem like all the big car makers are all on board for placing some form of tech on all there cars and trucks by 2020 that well brake you car / truck if it senses a crash. That will warn drivers that they are drifting into another lane. See the list below. If and that's a big if even they says everyone's on board it s may just stop most death and motorcycle crashs because 75% of them are car drivers faults. Even if it cuts down on them 25% its going to save lives. If it happens I jump for joy but whom knows if it going to . No more people turning into your bike. Till then it's Kind of like The perfect line and other riding myths.


Intersection assist.
When you approach an intersection, it alerts you if another vehicle is traveling at such a speed on a cross street that it could run a red light or stop sign and hit your car in the side. This helps prevent common and often fatal T-bone accidents. Left-turn assist. When in an intersection, it alerts you if there's not enough time to make a left-hand turn because of oncoming vehicles. This can keep you from turning even when you can't see the oncoming car.
Do-not-pass warning. When driving on a two-lane road, the system warns you when a vehicle coming in the opposite direction makes it unsafe to pass a slower-moving vehicle
Advance warning of a vehicle braking ahead. The system emits an alert when a vehicle that's two or more cars ahead in the same lane—and possibly out of sight—hits the brakes unexpectedly. This can help prevent a rear-end collision when you're caught by surprise.
Forward-collision warning. A warning will sound if the system detects that you're traveling at a speed that could cause you to hit a slower-moving vehicle in the rear. It will also give you advance warning of a stopped vehicle in your lane that you may not see because of a vehicle in front of you or because it's around a bend in the road.
Blind-spot/lane-change warning. When traveling on a multilane road, this illuminates a warning light when a car is positioned in your blind spot. It also emits a loud beep if you activate your turn signal when it's unsafe to change lanes. V2X is more accurate than current blind-spot monitoring systems that use cameras or radar and can even warn you of a car that's accelerating into your blind zone, which conventional systems can't do.
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:26 AM   #2
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:46 AM   #3
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I'm sure it will work just great.............................just like those traffic light sensors
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:56 AM   #4
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Sweet, let's install devices in cars that will teach drivers to pay even less attention!
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:10 AM   #5
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I'm far, FAR from as technophobic as many fellow riders appear to be ("That stuff is awful/makes you lazy/terrible drivers").

That said, there's something to be said for keeping driving (and riding) simple. Not in a purity sense-- no romantic here-- but in a distraction sense.

Ever been in a cockpit before? (Ever seen a grown man naked?) For forty years they've been finding ways to *reduce* the number of intrusive buzzers, beepers, and blinks to make it easier for pilots to obtain situational awareness and safely fly. Meanwhile, look in the average new car and it's beginning to look like a fighter jet cockpit. Obviously, cars are going the wrong direction.

I do love, use and appreciate a lot of new safety tech. I've written here before about how great I find blind spot monitoring systems as a *supplement*, not a replacement, to head checks before lane changes. They help keep me honest.

But I also know I'm a safety-conscious driver, and sadly there are fewer and fewer of those out on the road. All this great tech will undoubtedly make safer drivers even safer, but through coddling it runs the risk of making lousy drivers even lousier. Which means that the tech likely ends up being a wash.

I'm okay with that to a certain degree-- as long as it makes *me* safer, I can deal with others being idiots. But I sure as heck don't want to be forced by Uncle Sam to pay for everyone else to drive like idiots.
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:20 AM   #6
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I think most of this technology is not for the sake of safety as much as profit for the companies making it. All of the electronics developed for this will need more rare earth elements, which China is already limiting since they are a major exporter of such. I feel this will only lead to more war as one country tries to take what another has.

The intelligent thing to do would be a licensing system overhaul, focused on creating better drivers. Actual driving schools that would require no less than a intense week of behind the wheel training, after the initial book work. Instead of higher taxes, these schools could be paid for by the individual and people of low income could get grants, etc.

Instead, our government is run by corporations now, which are driven by profit and not the well being of the nation. They like it when people don't look up and just go about their self centered world.

Like it or not, automobiles are the most dangerous thing in peoples day to day lives but people are given licenses based on little more than a few questions and basic (can you put it in drive and work the brake and gas) driving test. It is all great for business, but is literally killing Americans every day.

At this point, I can't imagine people will ever change on their own without being forced to, unless America once again has true leadership, someone the people will follow, but we have no leaders, only polyticians.

Besides, all the cost will be put onto the automobile buyer anyway and the era of low wage countries is coming to an end, along with much higher oil prices. Anyone willing to pay $50,000 for a base model economy car then $15 a gallon for fuel? With that in mind, maybe we won't have to do anything, the higher cost will put more people on two wheeled vehicles, which in turn will force them to think a little more about safety or take them out of the equation.

Really, I don't care too much. I'm stacking MRE's, water filters and ammo while apocalypse proofing my bicycle. There are already plenty-o-zombies to fight off. If I'm not right, at least I'm prepared.
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:32 AM   #7
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I'm far, FAR from as technophobic as many fellow riders appear to be ("That stuff is awful/makes you lazy/terrible drivers").
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I'm all for anything that takes on some of the responsibility for doing things that drivers should be doing but which they aren't doing. The argument that aids like this make drivers lazy or less skilled only makes sense if drivers are skilled to start with, which we all know to be untrue.

It comes down to having two choices; cry about how all of those "other" drivers should be more skilled but knowing that will never happen, or let them be as bad as they already are and just make them less dangerous. Personally I don't get a lot of satisfaction from useless whining but I would love to not get run over so I'll go with the latter.
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:42 AM   #8
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One MAJOR problem with this system is that it only works between vehicles equipped with the proper devices. It would raise the cost of all new vehicles and not work with your older vehicle unless you spent the $$$ to retrofit it to your old vehicle.

It would make drivers even worse than they are now. Once they got used to it, it would be a catastrophe if.....I mean when the system went out.

I'm not sure any company will be anxious to market this system since the potential for lawsuits will by astronomical. If it is ever implemented it will be by a socialist government.

If implemented, this will just be another case of industrial strength stupidity. Unfortunately there is an ample supply of ISS.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:14 AM   #9
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It would make drivers even worse than they are now. Once they got used to it, it would be a catastrophe if.....I mean when the system went out.
They'd probably POST the system so the entire vehicle would shut down and refuse to move if the system went down or tested bad.
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There are already people out there who couldn't find their way without GPS. Even with GPS, many people manage to get lost anyway.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:23 AM   #12
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/41239280/New_...revent_Crashes

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...139798693.html

It seem like all the big car makers are all on board for placing some form of tech on all there cars and trucks by 2020 that well brake you car / truck if it senses a crash. That will warn drivers that they are drifting into another lane. See the list below. If and that's a big if even they says everyone's on board it s may just stop most death and motorcycle crashs because 75% of them are car drivers faults.
Neat... except your stats are completely ass-backwards.

Oregon fatality stats for 2011 (via ODOT):
19 - Single vehicle crash (rider, alone)
13 - RIDER v. CAR, RIDER'S FAULT
5 - CAR v. RIDER, CAR'S FAULT.
1 - rider v. animal
1 - "other"

So first off, of the nearly half the the crashes out there, we're killing ourselves of our own free will, without outside assistance.

Of the half that weren't riders doin' it for themselves, 65% were still the rider's fault, hitting a car they should have been able to miss.

Not that removing the 12.5% would be bad, exept I don't believe it'd work (see how much ABS has reduced crashes? right.) My point, of course, is It's not them- it's us. Ride straight, pay attention, back off, learn how to brake / swerve.

Safety Nazi, out.

dwoodward screwed with this post 03-15-2012 at 12:01 PM Reason: fixed missing word, "not that removing"...
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Neat... except your stats are completely ass-backwards.

Oregon fatality stats for 2011 (via ODOT):
19 - Single vehicle crash (rider, alone)
13 - RIDER v. CAR, RIDER'S FAULT
5 - CAR v. RIDER, CAR'S FAULT.
1 - rider v. animal
1 - "other"

So first off, of the nearly half the the crashes out there, we're killing ourselves of our own free will, without outside assistance.

Of the half that weren't riders doin' it for themselves, 65% were still the rider's fault, hitting a car they should have been able to miss.

Not removing the 12.5% would be bad, exept I don't believe it'd work (see how much ABS has reduced crashes? right.) My point, of course, is It's not them- it's us. Ride straight, pay attention, back off, learn how to brake / swerve.

Safety Nazi, out.
Trying to reduce accidents by improving people's riding/driving skills could be considered a form of discrimination against stupid people. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets classified as a hate crime

It's much easier to just invent some new technology to solve all our problems.

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PS, too make this new anti-collision system truly effective will we also be putting GPS tracking devices on Deer, Moose and other critters so we don't collide with them. How about immovable objects like trees and brick walls?
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Old 03-15-2012, 12:29 PM   #15
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Hey, if it reduces cars changing lanes into us when we are silly enough to dawdle in their blind spots then I'm all for it.

Those that need all these aids to operate their car safely probably shouldn't be driving in the first place but that is just my opinion. I also know it must be hard to do a glance over the shoulder while driving with a cell phone to your ear, or when applying make up or while texting. Maybe this new technology will cover for them too.

As Ted Simon said "now that everything has been made fool proof we are left with a society of fools"
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