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Old 03-21-2012, 01:53 AM   #1561
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Is there any other (legal) way of putting bears off ? ( i.e.Gas or flask bangs ) I am aware of the food problem and intend to use the rope/tree thing when wild camping.

I know it sounds like a daft question but being a Brit it is not easy to get hold of a gun/rifle in the US/Canada (AFAIK).

Its not that that I have a problem with them, I used to be a soldier, its just that the last time I had one illicitly in a foreign country (Brazil) I came close to spending a long stretch in jail. For a while, life was not very funny.
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:08 AM   #1562
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Is there any other (legal) way of putting bears off ? ( i.e.Gas or flask bangs ) I am aware of the food problem and intend to use the rope/tree thing when wild camping.

I know it sounds like a daft question but being a Brit it is not easy to get hold of a gun/rifle in the US/Canada (AFAIK).

Its not that that I have a problem with them, I used to be a soldier, its just that the last time I had one illicitly in a foreign country (Brazil) I came close to spending a long stretch in jail. For a while, life was not very funny.
There are NUMEROUS threads about bear preparations, bear encounters, thar-I -wuz, my-buddy says, & it'd be a shame to pollute this thread by degrading into another. Basically, the main two trains of thought are (1) gotta have a gun, and (2) pepper spray. Both have vocal adherents & detractors and my thought is that there is a place for each. Trying to answer your question directly and add a comment about the $2000 Bush Pilot gun:

Yes, hardware and sporting goods stores in bear country carry pepper spray meant for bear defense. I've talked to Alaska Troopers who've used the stuff and I've trusted one of them as my guard on a project. When you are going into the edge of the brush in the dark of night to take a leak, you don't have the time or maneuvering room for a gun and for the first second or so there's the hesitation that comes with recognizing whether you are looking at a lost kid or a bear. The pepper spray works and is non-fatal if you are wrong in that decision, because the following photo is NOT how much time you're going to have:
I plan in terms of walking up to the yellow while unzipping my fly, and waking a bear who is under the yellow. How fast can you ACCURATELY place 5 slugs FAST when you are that close and rattled?

As for guns, the most common gun I've seen in the Alaska bush has been a short barrel pump shotgun. We did have spray but also the pumps on the packs in front of us:


On a more humorous note about the question: Do bears shit in the woods? The answer is absolutely! They shit in the woods, on the rocks, on a shoreline, and anywhere else they damn well please!

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Old 03-21-2012, 05:55 AM   #1563
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Bears and guns

Park service just noted a study of hundreds of bear encounters in and out of parks, Bear spray is effective over 90% of the time

long guns are effective 83% of the time

and pistols less than 70%

that saying the time I spent in Alaska and in camps around Yellowstone a 12 ga slug gun with the first round #2 and followed by 550 gr. slugs was the weapon of choice. Bear spray is fatal to neither party, you or the bear. One of the last grizzly/ bow hunter encounters in Northern Idaho the guy died, his buddy shot him with a large calibre hand gun. That probably feels pretty good for the rest of your life.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:29 AM   #1564
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As for guns, the most common gun I've seen in the Alaska bush has been a short barrel pump shotgun. We did have spray but also the pumps on the packs in front of us...

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...that saying the time I spent in Alaska and in camps around Yellowstone a 12 ga slug gun with the first round #2 and followed by 550 gr. slugs was the weapon of choice...



I like the shotgun advice... Nothing I prefer more for close encounters than a good shotgun.

Problem is that nobody makes nice, new, quick "breakdown" pump or auto shotguns any longer. That said, there is one great choice in shotguns that easily and quickly break down and re-assemble like that Alaskan Co-Pilot rifle...

The Winchester Model 12.

And they are readily available for reasonable prices on the used market. Grab one of those with a shorter barrel, a nice soft "breakdown" shotgun case, and some shells and you've got something that will pack just as nicely in most ADV bike side cases.

Here's some info on the Model 12, as well as a couple of sites that have a number of them for sale:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgd9JDFoYJA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1912

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you..._Serial_607799

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/ad...4&subcatID=184

http://www.bedlans.com/collector%27s_shotguns.htm

One of the great things about a shotgun, IMHO, over pepper spray is that it's effective on other dangerous critters, like snakes... or multiple, potentially predatory humans.

And regarding bear pepper spray that might get accidentally get used on people...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9230617AAtKEvQ

You might not kill your buddy, but burning him bad enough he requires hospitalization, and perhaps blinding him for life is not a pleasant thought, either. Something to consider with the wide fogging, range, and Scoville heat units bear sprays are capable of.

Just my less than two cents...

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Old 03-21-2012, 07:49 AM   #1565
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There are NUMEROUS threads about bear preparations, bear encounters, thar-I -wuz, my-buddy says, & it'd be a shame to pollute this thread by degrading into another. Basically, the main two trains of thought are (1) gotta have a gun, and (2) pepper spray. Both have vocal adherents & detractors and my thought is that there is a place for each. Trying to answer your question directly and add a comment about the $2000 Bush Pilot gun:...............
Doh. Shoulda searched first. Thanks fo the advice anyway.
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:45 AM   #1566
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Funny how a great thread can mutate to a bear thread.

SHOW US YOUR BEAR ON YOUR BIKE THREAD NOW!!!

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Old 03-21-2012, 10:59 AM   #1567
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Funny how a great thread can mutate to a bear thread.

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Old 03-21-2012, 11:30 AM   #1568
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Well,yeah,you guys are right,this isn't a bear thread(it is a great thread tho--thanks for all the great picts). But my Tenere does & will take me into bear country often( I live in it) & bear encounters,esp grizzlies, are frequent( I had one). So Teneres & bears aren't entirely unrelated. One question tho, can you take pepper spray into Canada???
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:03 PM   #1569
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Well,yeah,you guys are right,this isn't a bear thread(it is a great thread tho--thanks for all the great picts). But my Tenere does & will take me into bear country often( I live in it) & bear encounters,esp grizzlies, are frequent( I had one). So Teneres & bears aren't entirely unrelated. One question tho, can you take pepper spray into Canada???
They're better with garlic.

When I went up North I only took one of these. They must work because
I made it back.

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Old 03-21-2012, 12:04 PM   #1570
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Bear spray

Depends on the border crossing, have been allowed and have not, depends on the whim of the officer. Just had to suck up and buy a new can. Funny thing as bad as US TSA is, no problem going the other way. Go figure
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:08 PM   #1571
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They're better with garlic.

When I went up North I only took one of these. They must work because
I made it back.

Pluric, they say when dead grizzlies get cleaned & gutted those bells are often found in the bears' stomachs....along with M&Ms.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:21 PM   #1572
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Pluric, they say when dead grizzlies get cleaned & gutted those bells are often found in the bears' stomachs....along with M&Ms.
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Just take a cotton ball, run it down your fork leg...........
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:30 PM   #1574
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Just take a cotton ball, run it down your fork leg...........
I didn't mean "screwed" literally.

All I could find on my office computer to even remotely try to put this thread back on track.

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Old 03-21-2012, 02:26 PM   #1575
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And in the spirit of getting the thread back on topic...






It may not be a bear, but there is one of my favorite beasts is in the pic with my "Texas Tenere"... It has four-wheels, though!


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