Yooperbikemike's 2012 MotoGP Thread

[mdubya]

Originally Posted by BOOTLACE

Yeah. so where's his teammate?

Nicky hasn't used up as many tires?

[mdubya]

Originally Posted by mike54

It says he's testing to make up for time he lost over the winter. VR didn't lose any test time over the winter. Maybe he's not allowed to test.

They are allowed to test. They just have a limited # of tires they can use.

[mdubya]

More good reading on Ducati's plan to improve:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...medium=twitter

[bluebye]

just like they did with the Yamaha. Me thinks Ducati remembers the front straitaways in early 2007 too much.

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by DougZ73

Funny thing is, I thought of Suzuki and even Kawi too, but neither have enough money to build a bike for Gp and pay Rossi. maybe he'll do it for free to get his rep back.

Yeah, what's the story on Suzuki? If they come back in 2013 will it be a CRT?
As for Rossi riding, Phillip Morris pays him, not Ducati.

[UngaWunga]

Originally Posted by yooperbikemike

Texas MotoGP 2013 Stalemate Continues

Why was Hellmund forced out? That seems to be the big sticking point. He sure has wedged himself nicely in the works, though, forcing the tracks current owners to deal with him.

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by UngaWunga

Why was Hellmund forced out? That seems to be the big sticking point. He sure has wedged himself nicely in the works, though, forcing the tracks current owners to deal with him.

It seems to me that Hellmund put everything together, the track, the deal with the state, F1, and Dorna. Then his backers ousted him for full control and profit. It seems that Bernie had a way out of his deal for F1 and then made a new one with the new Hellmund-less track owners. Hellmund does not want to let go of his MotoGP contract.
I know he's suing his former backers, so I guess if he's going to sell, or give up his MotoGP deal it will involve making a deal with those same people. No wonder it's at a stale mate.

[KHVol]

Thought this was another perfect analogy from Kropotkin's latest article:

" Like the children of two royal families pledged to be wed, Valentino Rossi and Ducati are condemned to one another."

He has no place to go...

[mdubya]

Originally Posted by RedRocket

Yeah, what's the story on Suzuki? If they come back in 2013 will it be a CRT?
As for Rossi riding, Phillip Morris pays him, not Ducati.

They have said they intend to be back in 2014 with a prototype.

[mike54]

Originally Posted by mdubya

They are allowed to test. They just have a limited # of tires they can use.

That's it. I knew there was some restriction. Thanks.

[UngaWunga]

Originally Posted by RedRocket

It seems to me that Hellmund put everything together, the track, the deal with the state, F1, and Dorna. Then his backers ousted him for full control and profit. It seems that Bernie had a way out of his deal for F1 and then made a new one with the new Hellmund-less track owners. Hellmund does not want to let go of his MotoGP contract.
I know he's suing his former backers, so I guess if he's going to sell, or give up his MotoGP deal it will involve making a deal with those same people. No wonder it's at a stale mate.

Yes, but I'm curious as to why they forced him out. Besides outright greed, of course.

Seems like cooperation would make everyone more money in the long run. But then I'm an optimist.

[mdubya]

Good reading (thanks to Krop for the link) for anyone who knows who Wayne Rainey is.

http://www.backmarker-bikewriter.blo...nds-me-of.html

[Motorcyclist]

Originally Posted by mdubya

Good reading (thanks to Krop for the link) for anyone who knows who Wayne Rainey is.

http://www.backmarker-bikewriter.blo...nds-me-of.html

Thanks for the link. I read Rainey's autobiography this winter, and I remember him repeatedly saying that the bike was not the best on the grid during his championship runs. He said that complaints to Yamaha went unanswered, because the team was consistently winning. Yamaha's response was essentially "how bad can the bike be if the team is winning?" That is an interesting place for a manufacturer and team to be. Fortunately, Ducati does not have to face that conundrum (any longer).

[stk0308]

Originally Posted by mdubya

Good reading (thanks to Krop for the link) for anyone who knows who Wayne Rainey is.

http://www.backmarker-bikewriter.blo...nds-me-of.html

I recall a tale that in the last couple Rainey years Yamaha didn't think it was worth doing the chassis changes that Team Roberts was demanding. Their answer was "Well, your winning on it, so it can't be that bad". This answer prompted Roberts to use a ROC chassis for many races, at least one year with Rainey, because that company would build the chassis to their specifications. This is not addressed in Mark's article.

[wbedient]

Originally Posted by mdubya

Good reading (thanks to Krop for the link) for anyone who knows who Wayne Rainey is.

http://www.backmarker-bikewriter.blo...nds-me-of.html

Some pretty scary implications for Rossi... I'd hate to see him (or anyone) get seriously hurt trying to make that bike a winner (or just trying to make it suck less).