Originally Posted by rivercreep
Let me put it this way. (in regards to the highlighted part)
Putting it that way, there is none....(joy)
Putting it the way I'll state it below DOES give you joy.
There's quite a few guys around here (judging from posts I've read) who only pay to have their bikes worked on and have no general concept of mechanics/trouble shooting.
Not that the above matters most times but...
...many of the types above can't even tell when something is starting to go wrong (until it completely fails) as they have no idea how to even look for potential problems.
I imagine breaking down in the middle of nowhere and being stranded with no cell signal (there's plenty of places like that in my area, up north), tools, or any concept of how to get yourself going again, would be even less fun than MAINTAINING YOUR VEHICLE VS. REPAIRING IT.
or worse; having a failure while traveling at 65 mph that sends you sliding along the road surface and into a gaurdrail. (that also doesn't sound very joyful)
For petes sake...look how many guys shy away from bikes with tube type tires these days because they don't even know how to repair a flat along side the road. (no fun but, with no signal or back-ups around, wouldn't it be nice to be able to, esp. on a sunday?)
F.W.I.W. I'd rather be self sufficiant than have more money than brains and be armed with only a cell phone and $.
(and access to AAA)
I don't find ANY joy in making repairs to my bikes. I DO find great joy in maintaining my bike and being self sufficiant so as to NOT have to rely on other people. (and it keeps "repairs" at bay)
I look upon those who CAN turn a wrench with respect (and Guys who can weld and machine parts ARE GODS to me) and I see that as a form of them having earned their place as a rider vs. merely being a poser.
I mean nothing deragtory in my last paragraph, it's merely my point of view. Hell, I don't even hold myself in the same league as the guys who can weld and machine parts.
(makes me a "poser" in some regards)
Maybe I'm just fortunate, but in over 40 years I've never actually repaired a flat along the roadside - now it will probably happen this summer - and only maybe five times have had any sort of breakdown. Two were broken chains, one on the streetbike and one on the off roader, a damaged clutch on my off roader, and another was a frayed throttle cable about 5 blocks from home again on an off roader. Fact is running out of gas or an accident has been more the issue. That hasn't been a problem in decades either, I know my general mpg and I don't crash (if you don't count tip overs and wash outs off road).
I certainly wouldn't fault a guy for not knowing about their bike. I'd think it was a shame if they were totally oblivious, but hey - I don't have much comprehension about the actual operating system of my computer. I don't know how to use a sewing machine to make a shirt or pants. I don't know pyrotechnics - boy would that be fun though. I don't know how to break down a rifle. Heck, how many of you can make a roast, bake up a turkey, make cookies from scratch, or many other cooking tasks without having to read some recipe?
So a rider relies on his mechanic. No big deal. I understand the thing with tube versus tubeless, I like tubeless for two reasons - no tube and no spokes to clean. But face it, a tubeless is just nicer in many ways. They still go flat and any road hazard that would cause a blow out on a tube tire will do the same to a tubeless. I've had flats on both and both will usually go down slow enough to get somewhere to fill up again or to get home. I don't care which one I have. Heck the SR has the old Yamaha tube type cast wheels on it!
I, for one, will look for the best set up that pleases me, but do like simplicity. Thus my affinity for my SR and the KLX. I like the look of old school standard based superbikes, thus the Zephyr. I don't much care for most other stuff when it comes to owning one. There are some, but there is a pecking order and price dictates part of that to a large extent too.