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Old 05-03-2012, 08:06 PM   #11206
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Which fat tank have you got? I'm considering whether to get one myself. Any tips, suggestions or recommendations?

I've got the Touratech. As far as tips: consider carefully. In some ways, it's a one-way street. My situation requires 600km+ fuel range, and it works for me, but it's a comprimise. I can still run 2x ten litre jerry cans which will give me about a 1000km range if needed.

Pros:
  1. Fuel-range
  2. Relatively compact (compared to some other solutions)
  3. Plastic tank- don't dent when you drop the bike
Cons:
  1. Very expensive- I got mine second had for a good price and would not have paid the price of a new one. And it's unpainted- you'll need to spend some more mula
  2. More top heavy: Riding and picking the bike up
  3. It's fat and you tend to spread your legs a bit more
  4. If you don't have upgraded front suspension, you'll need it
  5. More fuel = more weight = more tiring to ride in the tight technical stuff and sand
  6. Difficult to get the last few litres out of the tank. you can here it sloshing (and accoring to my calcs, it must have been close to 5l), but every time you run down-hill, you run 'out of fuel'
  7. If you run after market fairings, (such as Boana), they won't fit without modification- that includes the dashboard, etc.
  8. Hard to find items such as crashbars and very limited range
  9. Lot more weight on the front wheel- harder to keep the nose up off-road and on sand

Like I said- it's a compromise. I need the range. If I had to do it over again, I think I'd rather invest it pannier/rear-seat tanks. But that said, that's my next project. That way I won;t have to use the jerry cans no more.
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:47 PM   #11207
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Thanks. Some really good points to consider. I really appreciate the time and thought you've put in the reply.

I'm using my DR to get the 'desert dunes' (eg most of Len Beadell's desert highways and east Pilbara) rides out of my system over the next couple of years. I rarely get to coastal areas these days... a couple of millenia ago I spent my youth visiting Esperance & Albany to tear up the coastal tracks and beaches.

Anyway, I'm kinda punting that the AT will spell the end of my GSA and become the 'new' dirt highway (eg Gibb River Rd, Tanami, Gt Central, Plenty, Birdsville etc etc) bike in my shed. If the GSA does go, it releases cash to spend on the AT , but I'll ride the AT stock for a while just to be sure it suits me.

The 43 litres from the TT would ultimately be perfect for me. I'm sort of familiar with the big weights up front because my DR has the safari tank fitted (current capacity 36 litres and growing as it ever so slightly changes shape over time) and of course the 33 litres on the GSA. I could only wish to be lucky enough to pick up a 2nd hand TT so I'm fully expecting to pay the full price. TT also make some crash bars for their tank. More moolah. Tis disappointing to read about not getting the last few litres out the TT tank.

The rear tanks appeal, but I'm guessing they'll mess around with the mounting of whichever pannier racks I choose. Plus, they cost more than the TT tank! Anyway, I lean towards balancing the weight of extra fuel capacity up front against the luggage/water weight over the back wheel.

Currently researching which slip on to get for the AT. Mivv is in the lead at the moment but still plenty to go.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:39 PM   #11208
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The rear tanks appeal, but I'm guessing they'll mess around with the mounting of whichever pannier racks I choose. Plus, they cost more than the TT tank! Anyway, I lean towards balancing the weight of extra fuel capacity up front against the luggage/water weight over the back wheel.

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We've got a really good allu welder here in Esperance. He's been assisting me in making water-evaporation tanks for work. I've been thinking of asking Reed to make me some allu tanks that will replace the side covers. I know what you're saying about the frames and I'm in the same boat so will be working around that. It wain't going to be pretty, but it'll work.

I'm trying to streamline the AT as was too wide for bush work in the past. And as you probably know, these coastal tracks of ours are murderous and narrow. I use the XR600 at teh moment with a 20 litre tank, but it's too small for me.

But she's the perfect long distance traveller and you won;t be sorry. Although a bit lacking in the power-delivery department in standard form,
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:45 PM   #11209
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After a long search I finally found an AT and thought I'd post of few pics. They don't come up for sale much over here so when I found a clean low mileage, 97 last year I snapped it up. Since I have a couple of XR600/650 based adventure setups I'd been looking for a something that would be more comfortable with a larger load, reasonable range and road manners as well as capable of doing the back roads of the South Island. I considered other bikes but grew up with Hondas and always liked the look of the XRV even though it's quite an old bike now and heard good stories about them.

The bike came with an Arrows stainless exhaust which has a nice low note to it as well as the original which weighs a ton. Fitted it out with Touratech engine bars, Barkbusters, Heidenau Adventure Scouts, Scottoiler, Ram mount for the GPS and a 3BR USB socket. Threw in a spare fuel pump on board just in case. Tried fitting some ProTaper fat bars with risers but had some clearance issues with the air filter cover and the bend I used was to low. -Any recommendations?

Some pics of a trip through the Rainbow and Molesworth station done over Easter with full camping set up and food for a few days. Beautiful riding and she handled well on the gravel with a GL Great Basin and the smaller Wolfman expedition bag on the tank.







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Old 05-06-2012, 03:30 AM   #11210
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well Ive got an FH08 of a CBR600RR on the way and managed to get another red plug in good nick of another Honda wiring harness my bike shop had

Now its to check eastern beaver for connectors and see how my soldering skills are
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:59 AM   #11211
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For what Country you need a milage of 1000km?

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After a long search I finally found an AT and thought I'd post of few pics. They don't come up for sale much over here so when I found a clean low mileage, 97 last year I snapped it up. Since I have a couple of XR600/650 based adventure setups I'd been looking for a something that would be more comfortable with a larger load, reasonable range and road manners as well as capable of doing the back roads of the South Island. I considered other bikes but grew up with Hondas and always liked the look of the XRV even though it's quite an old bike now and heard good stories about them.

The bike came with an Arrows stainless exhaust which has a nice low note to it as well as the original which weighs a ton. Fitted it out with Touratech engine bars, Barkbusters, Heidenau Adventure Scouts, Scottoiler, Ram mount for the GPS and a 3BR USB socket. Threw in a spare fuel pump on board just in case. Tried fitting some ProTaper fat bars with risers but had some clearance issues with the air filter cover and the bend I used was to low. -Any recommendations?

Some pics of a trip through the Rainbow and Molesworth station done over Easter with full camping set up and food for a few days. Beautiful riding and she handled well on the gravel with a GL Great Basin and the smaller Wolfman expedition bag on the tank.
We just did the Rainbow (in the rain, high water in the rivers...) and Molesworth with our bike, 2up, 450kg, full camping and food for two 3 days. Pics at http://blog.rtwbybike.com/?p=237 (skipp to photo 56 (I had to downsample the picts to 400px...limited webspace...)

Just a question, for what you need anything else than the original 23l tank? You can easily go this two with the original tank (fill up in Hanmer Springs).

I am just curious, which country does require a milage of 1000km? Maybe we will pass it one time. I have been to the most of them and didnt run out of gasoline (OK just one time... but was my fault and I could "roll" to the next gasoline station, that was in Germany). Even the oOutback, most parts of Afirca (99% of it, and a extra 10l would be enough to cover this 1%) doesnt require more than the normal tank.

So for me, IMHO, this "Elephant tanks" are to show off, arent they?

I thought a long time b4 our trip to get one of these, but then the pros and cons... and my wife asked me the above question^^ and what should I say....


cheers, GRTS fom the Cameron Highlands, Malaysia... (Still have gasoline in my 23l tank, btw. 1l is 0.40€ here , but a beer 6€)
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:31 AM   #11212
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...I am just curious, which country does require a milage of 1000km?...
Australia... but only if you venture off the major highways and secondary roads. You can ride anywhere in the world never be further than 23 litres from the next fuel stop... if you plan your ride around a 23 litre range . But not everyone does that.

Link to one of my desert rides... I carried 55 litres for this 800+kms loop. http://drriders.com/topic874.html

Stuffed if I know what I'll be "showing off" when I fit one those "elephant tanks" to my AT.
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:53 AM   #11213
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Just a question, for what you need anything else than the original 23l tank?
I'm riding with the original 23l. But I see lot's of value in larger tanks in areas where there aren't many gas stations.

1. You don't have to plan your route around visiting gas stations.
2. You don't worry about (often the only) gas station on your route being closed.
3. You don't worry about encountering some type of road closure on your your route that makes you reroute or turn around.
4. You don't worry about miscalculating your fuel consumption. Of course it may vary substantially off-road.

For the reasons above, on desolate Desert trails, where you ride alone and there is practically no traffic, I would not really go below 1/2 tank, because you never know if/when you need to turn around for any reason.

...it makes matters further complicated, that the trail head for those desolate Desert trails is usually not near gas station's either.

...and that really gives you only less than 1/2 of your tank capacity.
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:11 PM   #11214
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...it makes matters further complicated, that the trail head for those desolate Desert trails is usually not near gas station's either.

...and that really gives you only less than 1/2 of your tank capacity.


Too true- how many times have I ventured down a track only to around 3/4 of the way because it was inpassable?

How many times have I had to detour 100+km because I was short 10l of fuel to stay on my original track but had to backtrack? (Almost ran out of fuel in Karijini a few years ago during the floods on the way down from Millstream- Hadto go East to Auski, then turn around and drive back west to Tom Price cause I was about 5l short)

From my house to WA/SA border is about 800km one way. No fuel stops if you take the more scenic route. Weekend excursion to the homesteads and back- 700km between fuel stops. etc.

And then there is the more adventurous routes like Canning http://www.exploroz.com/TrekNotes/WD...ock_Route.aspx

And true- you can plan around this, but then you have to stick to the itenary and have no leeway, or travel with backup, or arrange for fuel drops, or pay through your nose for low-grade fuel ($2.17 the other day at Warburton for 91 compared to $1.65 for 98 in Esperance), etc.

Each to his own...










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Old 05-06-2012, 05:44 PM   #11215
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Australia... but only if you venture off the major highways and secondary roads. You can ride anywhere in the world never be further than 23 litres from the next fuel stop... if you plan your ride around a 23 litre range . But not everyone does that.

Link to one of my desert rides... I carried 55 litres for this 800+kms loop. http://drriders.com/topic874.html

Stuffed if I know what I'll be "showing off" when I fit one those "elephant tanks" to my AT.
Thank you, I will let my wife know... So maybe I get permission to get one as well B4 we cross to Aussi!
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:00 PM   #11216
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Thank you, I will let my wife know... So maybe I get permission to get one as well B4 we cross to Aussi!
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:53 AM   #11217
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I have used that system, in Britain it is manufactured by Kliktronic........ http://www.kliktronic.co.uk/

I am also a left-leg amputee like your friend Stefano, I used it on my Yamaha Serow when I wanted to ride off-road after I lost my leg.

Well done for sorting out his adaptions, if he ever wants to talk i will leave my email, my wife is Italian so she should be able to translate.

cheers, Bob.

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I didn't so much, just what I show in the photo and some little things more.
The robotic gear was done from a specialistic company.
Basically it is an electric piston working on the gear shift, you can see here:



You can decide to use it in manual or automatic way.
In manual you have a couple of button near to the left hand.
You push one to get the longer gear and the other to go down and you operate the clutch usually.
In automatic it is really interesting, because when you act on the the clutch the gear go up, and if you are braking the gear go down.
I did a fast tour in a very fast off road trip and it work very well, you can drive stand just forgetting the gear, each time you act on the clutch it change a gear.

Nice.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:52 PM   #11218
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Hey Guys ! (&Girls? ;)


We invited every "Africaans" to Hungarian AT meeting !

Date: 25-27.05.2012.

Place: Balatonfüzfö - Camping (north-east side of lake Balaton)

Picture: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10610...torost%C3%BAra


f: http://www.facebook.com/events/246603188742323/


If You need a free map into GPS: www.openmaps.eu


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Old 05-07-2012, 03:21 PM   #11219
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:12 PM   #11220
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Australia... but only if you venture off the major highways and secondary roads. You can ride anywhere in the world never be further than 23 litres from the next fuel stop... if you plan your ride around a 23 litre range . But not everyone does that.

Link to one of my desert rides... I carried 55 litres for this 800+kms loop. http://drriders.com/topic874.html

Stuffed if I know what I'll be "showing off" when I fit one those "elephant tanks" to my AT.
Hi Farcall, great pictures! Is the AT going to become the weapon of choice once you get the fuel range up or are you going to keep the DR for bush riding? I've got some Australian touring planned for July but not sure if I should bring the AT and just stick to the main routes or bring a XR or DR for increased versatility? -DR with the Safari tank obviously a popular choice for the outback. Any feedback on your own preferences? Thanks for sharing the amazing photos also Squily. Got an amazing country over there.

Sascha: great photo's on the web (not bad country through the Molesworth eh!?) and good luck with RTW....awesome!
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