ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Gear > Equipment
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05-03-2012, 06:54 AM   #16
Tsotsie
Semi-reformed Tsotsi
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Location: South Texas
Oddometer: 1,703
Much cooler too! Cooler as opposed to being cool!
In Texas heat and out West, that matters!
Tsotsie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 06:57 AM   #17
Beamklamp
Velvet Burrito
 
Beamklamp's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: dook sittee
Oddometer: 4,031
I'll stay with white, it also makes a great background for my squashed bug collection.
__________________
He laughed, then he took a dump.
Beamklamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 07:00 AM   #18
LadyDraco
KillerSmileIHazIt !!
 
LadyDraco's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Location: Some of the best roads in the east..
Oddometer: 28,205
+1 on reflective stickers... I have a few on mine....
My mate has a silver helmet..

You can see how nice his sticker glows !!!

__________________
TISE
Life is what you make of it~
If it don't fit make alterations

Check it from time to time as I'm always adding to it..
My Rides and life on the Farm
LadyDraco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 07:01 AM   #19
Wuwei
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: May 2008
Location: New York
Oddometer: 1,108
I notice other riders wearing white helmets, so it seems to work for me. I also put a lot of reflective tape on mine. Every safety study indicates that wearing a white helmet makes a significant difference in visibility. I find it hard to believe, but someone did a test of the temperature inside a white helmet vs. a black helmet in the sun, and there was hardly any difference. Still, a white helmet is a lot easier to pick up compared to a black one that has been sitting in the sun. I found this text below on another site. It supposedly originated at Helmet Harbor, which I understand is out of business now.

Quote:
Helmet Temperature Testing

May 18.2005

Conditions: Outside Air Temp 90 degrees

Wind: Calm

Sunny/Clear

Pavement Temp: 123 degrees

TEST HELMET :Schuberth Concept White vs. Black

Method: Place two helmets on sidewalk 6 inches apart facing same direction in direct sunlight. Measure outer shell and interior periodically with digital infrared thermometer.

Time:______Black Helmet Temp_____White Helmet Temp

2:45PM______Outer Shell: 81.5________Outer Shell: 81.5
2:50PM______Outer Shell: 144.0_______Outer Shell: 107.0
3:00PM______Outer Shell: 154.0_______Outer Shell: 106.5
3:20PM______Outer Shell: 149.0_______Outer Shell: 108.5
3:40PM______Outer Shell: 155.0_______Outer Shell: 113.0
4:00PM______Outer Shell: 155.0_______Outer Shell: 114.0

Time:______Black Helmet Temp_____White Helmet Temp

2:45PM______Inner Shell: 90.0_________Inner Shell: 85.0
2:50PM______Inner Shell: 101.0________Inner Shell: 101.5
3:00PM______Inner Shell: 96.0_________Inner Shell: 95.5
3:20PM______Inner Shell: 108.0________Inner Shell: 108.0
3:40PM______Inner Shell: 110.0________Inner Shell: 109.5
4:00PM______Inner Shell: 111.0________Inner Shell: 110.5

Test Summary:

The black helmet measured considerably higher temperature readings on the outer shell as compared to the white helmet. As high as 47.5 degrees higher. However, the interior temperature readings were much closer. Variance was very slim and never more than 1 full degree. At times, the Black interior was slightly cooler than the white.

Conclusion:

Many customers believe that a lighter helmet makes for a cooler head. As you see above, this doesn't hold water. Granted, a darker helmet will be hotter to pick up off the seat of your bike, but once on your head the difference isn't noticeable. Also, for those out there that feel wearing a helmet is hotter than not wearing one at all, you're incorrect. The helmet, due to the insulating factors of Styrofoam, will shield your head from the sun/heat. A well vented helmet is always cooler than a naked head in direct sunlight.
__________________
For my part, I travel not to go anywhere, but to go. I travel for travel's sake. The great affair is to move. Robert Louis Stevenson
Wuwei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 07:08 AM   #20
moggi1964
Tiger Keeper
 
moggi1964's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Location: Madison, NJ
Oddometer: 614
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveStockwell View Post
HiViz, White, Orange, all help. Of course, you can splash up any color with retro-reflective tape.
I like that tape but need to find a way to use it on my helmet that won't mess up the gorgeous paint scheme

Maybe I can get the reflective gold tape and have a few laurels cut out of it.
__________________
Moggi1964

Triumph Explorer
moggi1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 11:32 AM   #21
jbhawley
WTF- Gus?
 
jbhawley's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Location: Kenly NC
Oddometer: 424
White Lid with retro-reflectives

You can do alot with retro-reflective stickers if you use your imagination and get creative. White helmet for daytime visibility and reflectives for night time. Anything to make the blue-hairs, tennie-bobbers, or soccer-moms see us...
Before...





and after....





and with a camera flash



__________________
---John
Lemmings non sumus

"All the inconvenience and sweat and discomfort of body armor suddenly pales when you're sliding comfortably down the highway on all fours." -ghostdncr
jbhawley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 04:20 PM   #22
nomiles
Sledge-o-matic
 
nomiles's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Location: Bay Area ~ NorCal
Oddometer: 4,003
White shows up better than any other color including silver and Hi-viz, especially at night.
__________________
Everybody is someone else's weirdo.
nomiles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 04:52 PM   #23
univibe88
Slidell4Life
 
univibe88's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Taxachusetts
Oddometer: 2,156
I like your sticker "art" John
__________________
List of my old bikes that no one cares about
Current bikes go here to make others jealous


"I like my ride plans like my women...loosely put together with a chance of getting wet."
univibe88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 04:53 PM   #24
Wuwei
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: May 2008
Location: New York
Oddometer: 1,108
I find an advantage of a white helmet is that it very quickly shows bug splatter, black streaks, and general wear so it is less of a theft magnet. I personally don't care what it looks like as long as it keeps me comfortable, provides good visibility for my eyes and those of others, and protects me if I ever crash. Not worrying about having it stolen is a bonus.
__________________
For my part, I travel not to go anywhere, but to go. I travel for travel's sake. The great affair is to move. Robert Louis Stevenson
Wuwei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 06:55 PM   #25
Tsotsie
Semi-reformed Tsotsi
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Location: South Texas
Oddometer: 1,703
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuwei View Post
I notice other riders wearing white helmets, so it seems to work for me. I also put a lot of reflective tape on mine. Every safety study indicates that wearing a white helmet makes a significant difference in visibility. I find it hard to believe, but someone did a test of the temperature inside a white helmet vs. a black helmet in the sun, and there was hardly any difference. Still, a white helmet is a lot easier to pick up compared to a black one that has been sitting in the sun. I found this text below on another site. It supposedly originated at Helmet Harbor, which I understand is out of business now.

Those numbers in that list dont look right. How can the temp on the black go from 90 to 101 to 96 to 108 and the white 85 to 101.5, 95.5 to 108 etc?

Time:______Black Helmet Temp_____White Helmet Temp

2:45PM______Outer Shell: 81.5________Outer Shell: 81.5
2:50PM______Outer Shell: 144.0_______Outer Shell: 107.0
3:00PM______Outer Shell: 154.0_______Outer Shell: 106.5
3:20PM______Outer Shell: 149.0_______Outer Shell: 108.5
3:40PM______Outer Shell: 155.0_______Outer Shell: 113.0
4:00PM______Outer Shell: 155.0_______Outer Shell: 114.0

Time:______Black Helmet Temp_____White Helmet Temp

2:45PM______Inner Shell: 90.0_________Inner Shell: 85.0
2:50PM______Inner Shell: 101.0________Inner Shell: 101.5
3:00PM______Inner Shell: 96.0_________Inner Shell: 95.5
3:20PM______Inner Shell: 108.0________Inner Shell: 108.0
3:40PM______Inner Shell: 110.0________Inner Shell: 109.5
4:00PM______Inner Shell: 111.0________Inner Shell: 110.5
Tsotsie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:14 AM   #26
squish
Out of the office.
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Location: Where the Ghetto meets the sea.
Oddometer: 6,094
Long story short... After wearing hi-viz orange helmets for 14 years, my next helmet will be a solid white one.

I work in research and one of the things I just had to do was gather studies and papers on motorcycle conspicuity.
And to summarize about 20 papers that I read... These were papers and lit reviews from the last 15 years of global first world studies that have been done on motorcycle wrecks, conspicuity and causation.

Elevated levels of conspicuity on the part of the rider may lessen their chance of a violation of right away by as much as a third.

Here's the deal from the studies that I just got done going through...

When it comes to conspicuity the biggest effect is solid blocks of color that contrast with what is surrounding them.

So a white helmet ridden where the it's a whole lot of light colored empty roads during the middle of the day. Think the outskirts of Phoenix in June)

It's not so good.

A white helmet, worn in a mixed urban environment day or night is more visible then a black or med to dark gray helmet.
And it gives up little to yellows and yellow green. Think Providence

Retroreflective tape has shown to have mixed results in a wide range of studies, the hypothesis is that the headlights need to be in pretty much a straight angle to the helmet. So the halo brand style band around the bottom is more effective then a small patch of stuff to each side or just the rear of the helmet. this is due to it's effectiveness regardless of the cars position to you.

Yellow, and lime yellow are also listed high in the daytime conspicuity studies, but their effectiveness tapers off at night.
Where white stays slightly more visible at night.

Blue, Reds, Oranges (what I've worn for years) are less noticeable in evenings and comprimised weather or environmental situations, like rain, fog, or smoke or dust and in darker background environments are not as effective as lighter colors. However in lighter back ground environments they are more effective then white or yellows.

Fluorescent colors are especially effective morning and dusk or in overcast situations. But you loose the effectiveness of the UV reactive pigments when there's no UV.

So there's no clear cut answer. But my take away was that white is the most visible helmet color in the widest range of urban and suburban environments. Day, Night, For, Dust, Dusk, in city or in the suburbs...

After looking at the studies, and after wearing hi-viz gear for 5 years and a hi-viz orange helmet for 14 years.

My next helmet will be a white one, and I will add a 1" tall band of retroreflective material around the bottom of the helmet
__________________
On vacation for a spell
squish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 08:49 AM   #27
ADVWannabee
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Virginia
Oddometer: 212
If I recall correctly, the Hurt report shows that light color helmets show a reduced accident rate for people pulling in front of you. I have a silver helmet for that reason, figuring it reflects light more. But I think I may switch to white for my next helmet.

As for reflectorization, I would think that would work pretty well. When I was in Canada last year, my buddy was in front of me at night and the reflective piping on his jacket lit up extremely well even when he was way out in front of me.
__________________
ADVWannabee
I don't ride because I have a death wish, I ride because I wish to live.
O Canada, Off to the races, A trip down memory lane, Lola does the OBX, Slaying the Dragon
ADVWannabee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 09:01 AM   #28
bigsnowdog
Sylvan Dweller
 
bigsnowdog's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2002
Oddometer: 18,908
This is a timely topic. I am about to buy a new helmet. My current one is white, and I chose it primarily for temperature. I see Schuberth sells a hi-viz yellow, I believe it is, and have also come out with a hi-viz orange. In the past when I have researched this, white came out as highly visible. I believe that will still be my choice.
__________________
2002 GS1150 ADV
Hepco Becker bags
Piaa 959 & 910

NRA life


"It's not true that I had nothing on. I had the radio on."
Marilyn Monroe

bigsnowdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 06:00 PM   #29
Phil Y
Adventurer
 
Phil Y's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Oddometer: 67
Solo LEOs wear white helmets here so white is definitely the most "visible." Neon greens and yellows are becoming common among road crews,maintenance workers, etc., which, I believe, detracts from the "seeability" for most cagers. I don't mind being mistaken for a cycle cop, even if only for a moment.
__________________
"There are old riders and there are bold riders but there are no old, bold riders." My first MSF instructor, many years ago.
Phil Y is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 06:45 PM   #30
fishwich
El Borbah
 
fishwich's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Oddometer: 1,647
I wear a plain white Shoei RF1000 because it was a LOT cheaper than the others. At least $75. Riders out here want snakes, skulls and flaming Virgin Marys on their lid.
fishwich is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 01:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014