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Old 05-08-2012, 08:35 AM   #12631
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I think, with any of the Tigers, your wife is going to need a stepladder.
So.... I've been meaning to ask, and you've given me the perfect opening. How DO you load and unload a passenger on these anyway?

I'm pretty much a complete noob when it comes to motorcycles, had a Kawasaki KZ750 back in the 80s, rode a Scrambler over the past year, now I have my 800XC. With other bikes its not really a question, rider gets on much like we do - leg over, done. Same thing on the XC? What if they can't do a leg over, how (specifically) do you load a passenger then? You're about the same dimensions as I am, I'm trying to imagine loading someone while I'm balls of the feet down only.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:47 AM   #12632
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So.... I've been meaning to ask, and you've given me the perfect opening. How DO you load and unload a passenger on these anyway?

I'm pretty much a complete noob when it comes to motorcycles, had a Kawasaki KZ750 back in the 80s, rode a Scrambler over the past year, now I have my 800XC. With other bikes its not really a question, rider gets on much like we do - leg over, done. Same thing on the XC? What if they can't do a leg over, how (specifically) do you load a passenger then? You're about the same dimensions as I am, I'm trying to imagine loading someone while I'm balls of the feet down only.
1st way, the way I prefer. I'm on the bike standing it straight up and down and she steps up on the peg closest to her (essentially using it like a ladder rung) and swings a leg over. 2nd way she gets on first with the stand down and then slide back, then you get on. I dont swing my leg over much while my other foot is on the ground. I prefer to stand on the peg then just put my other foor over. Its much easier that way.
There is an entire thread on passenger related material http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...ighlight=tiger
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:55 AM   #12633
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1st way, the way I prefer. I'm on the bike standing it straight up and down and she steps up on the peg closest to her (essentially using it like a ladder rung) and swings a leg over. 2nd way she gets on first with the stand down and then slide back, then you get on. I dont swing my leg over much while my other foot is on the ground. I prefer to stand on the peg then just put my other foor over. Its much easier that way.
There is an entire thread on passenger related material http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...ighlight=tiger
That's good info. So the side stand is strong enough to be standing on the pegs, and having a passenger on eh? The amount of 'give' the side stand has when you're parking the bike is a bit disconcerting to me, which makes it seem fragile. I know its in my head, just kinda freaky.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:08 AM   #12634
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So.... I've been meaning to ask, and you've given me the perfect opening. How DO you load and unload a passenger on these anyway?

I'm pretty much a complete noob when it comes to motorcycles, had a Kawasaki KZ750 back in the 80s, rode a Scrambler over the past year, now I have my 800XC. With other bikes its not really a question, rider gets on much like we do - leg over, done. Same thing on the XC? What if they can't do a leg over, how (specifically) do you load a passenger then? You're about the same dimensions as I am, I'm trying to imagine loading someone while I'm balls of the feet down only.
First up, I'd take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Advanced rider course. As a re-entry rider it will help you break bad habits and make you think about some stuff you may have forgotten. Highly recommended.

I'm only 5'6". I get on tall bikes "Cowboy Style", just like getting on a Horse. Left foot goes on left pet, front brake held on. Step up on peg, swing right leg up and over. Even works with a pack or top box on the back. Get off the bike the same way.

Passenger: You get on first. Both feet down, lean forward a bit. S.O. uses same Horse technique. Left foot on left peg, grabs onto your back, swings other leg up and over. Easy peasy.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:49 AM   #12635
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All the bolts backed out? That's just strange. Like they were never acutally tightened to begin with. Dealer should have caught that one during prep assuming that it left the factory like that in the first place.
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OK. I pulled the instruement cluster & headlights off my T800 last weekend. Two of the four bolts holding the cluster on were finger tight; one (bottom, throttle-side) had backed out a quarter inch. Not as obvious a failure as a rear wheel pulley coming off, but it'd still be a rude shock to have the front of the bike come unstuck.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:06 AM   #12636
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I have mostly followed this thread since the start. I don't own a Tiger...yet. My interest in bikes is mostly vintage, but did break down and buy a used S*z*k# DR650 last year to use as a commuter bike and occasional dirt road ride.

Last fall, my wife has decided she wants to ride more. This from a woman who at one time would not even go near a bike . The BSA's are not comfortable 2 up...the DR actually even less so. She actually encouraged me to shop for a new(er) bike. Since my interest in newer bikes is limited, the choices to shop around were limited.

We tried assorted B#W's at the local dealer. While I liked the F800Gs, she didn't due to size of the pillion seat. She loved a 1200GS, I hated it since the bike was too large for my liking. Then she kind of dropped the subject over the winter...until last weekend

Since the Tiger was introduced, it has interested me. So now for my question and its relevance to this thread. Before we make the 35 mile drive to the nearest Triumph dealer (who has Tiger 800's & Tiger Explorer in stock), how is the pillion seat on the 800? Reality is, even with her increased interest in riding, probably 90%+ of the riding will still be solo. And if I end up with a tiger, the Dr is gonna be gone.

Just for some additional info, I am 6'4", she is 5'2". She likes the seat/peg relationship on the BSA (68 Lightning) but we both find the seat to be "tight". The DR has and even tighter seat issue and she really dislikes the seat/peg relationship.

Any opinion or advice?
My wife loves riding on the back of my tiger. There is much more room than my old vstrom. It is quite comfortable for her and I both.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:17 AM   #12637
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First up, I'd take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation Advanced rider course. As a re-entry rider it will help you break bad habits and make you think about some stuff you may have forgotten. Highly recommended.
Not entirely a re-entry rider, I've been riding a Vespa for 10 years or so before getting the Scrambler a year ago. That said, I am a newb to this big bike, and I have been meaning to do that course. Thanks for the reminder :)

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Passenger: You get on first. Both feet down, lean forward a bit. S.O. uses same Horse technique. Left foot on left peg, grabs onto your back, swings other leg up and over. Easy peasy.
Nice, I can see this now :)
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:24 AM   #12638
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That's good info. So the side stand is strong enough to be standing on the pegs, and having a passenger on eh? The amount of 'give' the side stand has when you're parking the bike is a bit disconcerting to me, which makes it seem fragile. I know its in my head, just kinda freaky.
yes, side stand is plenty strong enough. the weakest part of the sidestand is where you have the foot planted. make sure you are on firm ground! if you have the bike loaded up, swinging your leg over without one foot on the stand would be near impossible.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:25 AM   #12639
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Where did you mount you antenna? I can't find a really good place. Pics please. Thanks in advance!
I take it no one has an XM antenna mounted?
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:28 AM   #12640
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Not entirely a re-entry rider, I've been riding a Vespa for 10 years or so before getting the Scrambler a year ago. That said, I am a newb to this big bike, and I have been meaning to do that course. Thanks for the reminder :)
Then I wouldn't recommend any of the MSF classes as in my opinion they mainly target a different group of riders - the ones that rarely ride and need very basic re-introduction to proper riding. They are so bureaucratic that they are not allowed to adjust their classes to the needs of the attendees.

It might still help you (and me) but if you are experienced on two wheels, scooter or bike, and have 10 years of riding done, you can get on much better trainings. Like a beginner track day where they teach you how to ride corners properly, not necessarily fast but correct, teach you how and when to break, and also give you some important skills for properly riding a street motorcycle.

If you have lots of money to spend you can also attend one of the Adventure riding classes out there (I have read good things about the BMW classes, but some good and more bad things about the Rawhyde classes). My wife really wants us to do a weekend trip doing a one day dirt class followed by a one day street class on a single weekend.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...otorcycle.aspx

This might or might not be good, I'm just pointing out that there are classes out there, that are MUCH MUCH better than the MSF classes because they adjust to the attendees and help you with your specific questions / issues instead of pushing through their required class material. Unfortunately these classes are also much more expensive. I still think they have a better value.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:38 AM   #12641
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I really dont notice a mpg difference. If there is one it seems small. I would say 1mpg less max. However, the fun factor out weighs everything. It shifts better, has more low end, and really makes the bike ride like it should have off the show room floor. Of course this is my perception. I wont be switching back to stock!!!
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:45 AM   #12642
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So.... I've been meaning to ask, and you've given me the perfect opening. How DO you load and unload a passenger on these anyway?

I'm pretty much a complete noob when it comes to motorcycles, had a Kawasaki KZ750 back in the 80s, rode a Scrambler over the past year, now I have my 800XC. With other bikes its not really a question, rider gets on much like we do - leg over, done. Same thing on the XC? What if they can't do a leg over, how (specifically) do you load a passenger then? You're about the same dimensions as I am, I'm trying to imagine loading someone while I'm balls of the feet down only.
As others have noted- "cowboy up" is the easiest way to get on a tall bike, then you balance the bike while the passenger does the same thing. The gotcha for passengers is to have them stand close to the bike and step STRAIGHT UP on the peg. If they're standing away from the bike and step up and pull on your back, that's a balance issue.

Done right, there's very effect on the bike's balance. Done wrong, you'll be laying on the ground.
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:52 AM   #12643
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Thanks for the responses to my question. I know climbing onto the Tiger will be a problem, but she had no issues climbing onto the F800 or 1200Gs....so not too worried about the climb, was more concerned about would she find the perch acceptable.

So see where this goes, if we end up with a Tiger, then I can start asking dumbazz noob questions about a Tiger that have already been answered several hundred times
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:22 PM   #12644
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Then I wouldn't recommend any of the MSF classes as in my opinion they mainly target a different group of riders - the ones that rarely ride and need very basic re-introduction to proper riding. They are so bureaucratic that they are not allowed to adjust their classes to the needs of the attendees.
I don't know, I kind of think the MSF basic skills class could still be helpful. They really do help if you've picked up any bad habits over the years. Of course, these classes vary depending on location and instructor so my experience could be very different from yours. Also, it's been about 10 years since I last took an MSF class of any kind.

I learned the most and had the most fun at an American Supercamp. I highly recommend these camps, even though they're aimed at dirt track racing. They do a good job of breaking up the class into groups with similar skills and you ride and crash on a controlled course. When you fall, the bikes are small enough that bruises are typically the worst you'll experience. I hadn't ridden in the dirt for over 20 years when I took this 2 day class and I learned a lot and had a blast.

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I take it no one has an XM antenna mounted?
Depending on the XM receiver and the mount you have for that, I've typically seen an "L" made out of sheet steel stuck on the back of the mount for the receiver and the antenna stuck on that. As my bike is currently set up, I would try to stick it on the flyscreen for my Madstad but with all the different configurations that people have their bikes, I don't think that there will be a universal solution that will work for everyone.
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