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Old 05-05-2012, 06:26 PM   #76
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If it's linear then it's not a curve.

(Just yanking your chain.)
A straight line is a special case of a curve.

(Just yanking your curved chain.)
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:43 PM   #77
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No SuMo will ever pass a sportbike on the outside or the inside at any regular road IF both riders are equally skilled AND the sportbike rider gives a damn if he is passed by anyone. Maybe a SuMo has a slight advantage in very tight hairpin turns and of course on very bumpy backroads, but that's it.
Hell, I've done it on knobbies.
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:47 PM   #78
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I remember my test ride on my first BMW which was an R100RS. Prior experience on MC's was unfaired bikes with much smaller powerplant.

My first impression was nice balance, then how smooth the engine was and how quiet it was behind the fairing...brakes good, but some front dive...after a few turns was on an interstate...smooooooth....HOLY SHIZZNEL...IM GOING 90 MPH!!!!!

Just saying , it happens! Cruising around at 80-100 was nothing on that bike...it was a mile killer.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:57 PM   #79
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Really????
I don't think you know too much about what's out there in the SM world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=z5SVy2PyxEU

And another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r-1t...ure=plpp_video
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Old 05-06-2012, 03:29 AM   #80
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Your funny little videos and stories about pwning superbikes on you KLR, with knobbies, handcuffed, and blindfolded are meaningless, 'cause you ignore the part of equally skilled riders on regular roads who give a damn about beeing passed.
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Old 05-06-2012, 03:52 AM   #81
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Typically people don't run out and spent big bucks on a performance oriented mediocre looking motorcycle until they have a few miles under their belt and have owned a fair number of bikes.
This. I know very few riders who started with Beemers. More typically they've come to the brand after having owned several other bikes, and with a lot more experience and technique than a brand new rider.
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:59 AM   #82
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Those same BMW riders on 600 CC supersports would be passing their buddies on the GS like they were standing still. For a few miles until the pain in their back, neck and wrists became unbearable. It is the rider. A comfortable rider is faster.

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Old 05-06-2012, 07:55 PM   #83
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Your funny little videos and stories about pwning superbikes on you KLR, with knobbies, handcuffed, and blindfolded are meaningless, 'cause you ignore the part of equally skilled riders on regular roads who give a damn about beeing passed.
Never driven a CR500 have you?
http://www.servicehonda.com/honda-2010-models/500afx

<220 lbs with 80-90 hp.VS 450 lbs with 100 -120 hp...... if there's any corners on your 'regular roads' the supersport is toast. (with equal riders)...... just like in the vids.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:50 AM   #84
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At least the supersport would be able to deliver its equal (wet + with rider) or slightly better (more realistic under 70hp) power/weight ratio to the ground (as in not doing backflips) and won't wobble around (suspension designed for street use). Sure, a good rider would be able to keep up with the supersport.
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Old 05-07-2012, 03:16 AM   #85
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What's a linear power curve?

K75s are dogs until you get them past 4,500 rpm.

Something's wrong with that graph: the hp and torque lines should intersect at 5252 RPM.

EDIT: Oh... it's KW not HP... nevermind!
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Old 05-07-2012, 03:19 AM   #86
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You cannot use an anecdotal story of one rider passing another as evidence of which bike is inherently quicker around a circuit. Not unless you first establish that the riders were of comparable skill level and competent on their respective machinery. This line of reasoning is particularly faulty for those invoking random encounters on the street for reasons I feel are obvious.

Granted, my comment isn't arguing for one design over a another. I just get sick of hearing, "Well, I pass X riders all day long, so my Y bike is faster." Even if you're right, you can't use that reasoning alone as proof.
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:02 AM   #87
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Disclaimer, I do not own a BMW motorcycle.

I'm smart enough to not think of myself as "that good" of a rider.

But I have test ridin BMW motorcycles, and believe me, when I say I will have one.

Particularly impressed with the GS. It is an easy bike to ride swiftly.

They don't feel as heavy as they are, I think because the weight of the engine is so low.
And I believe, that the telelever front suspension with it's anti-dive action provides such a feeling of security, you will be just zinging through twisty two lane, without even trying.

The brake are excellent, and if they conquer the final drive issues the GS will be the perfect motorcycle.
A bit expensive, but more worth it than anything else in its price range.
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Old 05-09-2012, 05:10 PM   #88
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"It is the indian, not the arrow"

Getting back to the OP, BMW 12 GSA bikes handle incredibly well and they do corner like a dream, they can be very forgiving and inspire confidence. With all the potholes, speed bumps, oil, diesel, gravel, etc found around Mexico I would not consider any other type of bike. I am on my third BMW, my first GS (GSA) since 2008, and I could not be happier at all!!!

I is absurd to compare them with sport bikes, they serve a very different purpose. A fashion trend (down here at least) is making 1200 GS a desirable bike for many new riders (nothing wrong with that), but forgiving as they may be, they won't make a competent rider out of anyone just like magic.
The last couple of years, the new riders with big GS bikes are seriously growing, and one has to watch out for there a lot of hazardous riders out there!!

"It is the indian, not the arrow" as I have heard. A friend of mine, who I frequently ride with, is a BMW motorrad instructor and keeping up with him is demanding, no matter what he rides.
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:06 AM   #89
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Getting back to the OP, BMW 12 GSA bikes handle incredibly well and they do corner like a dream, they can be very forgiving and inspire confidence. With all the potholes, speed bumps, oil, diesel, gravel, etc found around Mexico I would not consider any other type of bike. I am on my third BMW, my first GS (GSA) since 2008, and I could not be happier at all!!!

I is absurd to compare them with sport bikes, they serve a very different purpose. A fashion trend (down here at least) is making 1200 GS a desirable bike for many new riders (nothing wrong with that), but forgiving as they may be, they won't make a competent rider out of anyone just like magic.
The last couple of years, the new riders with big GS bikes are seriously growing, and one has to watch out for there a lot of hazardous riders out there!!

"It is the indian, not the arrow" as I have heard. A friend of mine, who I frequently ride with, is a BMW motorrad instructor and keeping up with him is demanding, no matter what he rides.
My GS is a quick solid handling bike. But with knobblies on its becomes somewhat unstable past 160 kmh and cornerring suffer, so the zoom zombies shoot past me. They also out accelerate me. But the average cruiser, scrambler or street bike is quickly a speck in your rear view mirror.

I also notice many people are getting GSes as first bikes. I used to think that is insane as they will kill themselves on such large powerful bikes. But it is an easy bike to ride and very forgving for beginners. The ABS and good brakes and ASC are useful for that. Im sure starting off ona super bike as a first bike is a much quicker way to turn up your toes, or use up your medical insurance.
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I also notice many people are getting GSes as first bikes. I used to think that is insane as they will kill themselves on such large powerful bikes. But it is an easy bike to ride and very forgving for beginners. The ABS and good brakes and ASC are useful for that. Im sure starting off ona super bike as a first bike is a much quicker way to turn up your toes, or use up your medical insurance.
You have a point right there! Personally I suppose if my son ever wanted to get started on motorcycles, light dirt bike would be a place to begin, but I would be more at ease (should he later decided to go for the street) if he chose one of the lighter GS models instead of a sport bike!
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