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Old 05-28-2012, 06:39 AM   #23956
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You'll thank me for it. I haven't ridden my street bike once since I started mountain biking. Mountain biking through forest trails is soooo much more fun and challenging than riding for hours on a strip of asphalt in the broiling sun.
Bah! I grew up in the land of plastic seat sweat. Heat doesn't bother me much. Plus I love descending. I love it enough to grind through the rest of it.

However, I'm still pondering the idea of putting a simple MTB together. Despite being in the middle of the city, there's a pretty good trail not too far from me. Nashbar has a very simple 26" hardtail with disc brakes for about fo' hunnert that might be in my price range. What'd be your recommendation?
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:00 AM   #23957
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Bah! I grew up in the land of plastic seat sweat. Heat doesn't bother me much. Plus I love descending. I love it enough to grind through the rest of it.

However, I'm still pondering the idea of putting a simple MTB together. Despite being in the middle of the city, there's a pretty good trail not too far from me. Nashbar has a very simple 26" hardtail with disc brakes for about fo' hunnert that might be in my price range. What'd be your recommendation?
If you can put a HT with disk brakes together for a measly $400, I say go for it! I ride with this guy who has a clapped out old HT with cable actuated rim brakes and skinny tires, which looks like something built in the 1970's. It's a piece of garbage that I'd be afraid to ride. Yet he's managed one of the fastest lap times at our favorite local trail on it.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:38 PM   #23958
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Bah! I grew up in the land of plastic seat sweat. Heat doesn't bother me much. Plus I love descending. I love it enough to grind through the rest of it.

However, I'm still pondering the idea of putting a simple MTB together. Despite being in the middle of the city, there's a pretty good trail not too far from me. Nashbar has a very simple 26" hardtail with disc brakes for about fo' hunnert that might be in my price range. What'd be your recommendation?
Spend the extra $100 and get a 29er.

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Old 05-28-2012, 04:04 PM   #23959
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Got out for another ride. Hotter than Sunday and windy again.

That left me sore. I used up two bottles of nuun, and four of water. Only ate two Chomps.
Had to stop about a mile from home in some shade for a few minutes.
When I got home I pulled the junk out of my pockets kicked off my shoes and socks re-loaded a bottle with ice and water and hit the pool. That started to get me cooled down. Two bottles of water and two big glasses of water later I am feeling not too bad.
The good news is my back doesn't hurt. Bad news is the damned toilet tank leaks.

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Old 05-28-2012, 07:24 PM   #23960
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Spend the extra $100 and get a 29er.

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._trail_xii.htm
Many wise people have said that it's important to learn to pick a line and negotiate obstacles with a 26er first. Then go to 29.
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:47 PM   #23961
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Many wise people have said that it's important to learn to pick a line and negotiate obstacles with a 26er first. Then go to 29.
I've got one of each. I've read all the alleged advantages of the 29er's over 26er's, but I've been unable to prove any of them in practice. I've seen no noticeable advantage in climbing or stability or better traction over my 26er. My suspicion is that they're simply too small to be measured in anything but 'laboratory conditions'. What is instantly apparent however, is that my 26er is quicker through the turns, accelerates and stops faster than the 29er, and just feels a lot more lively and fun to ride aggressively. And the differences in these respects are by no means subtle.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:33 PM   #23962
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Did a nice 41 mile ride today. I leave the Garmin trip timer running all the time - look at the speeds after the rest stop...it's where the speed flat-lines for 15 minutes or so. From that point on, we were basically at 25 mph or faster. Everyone was dropped out of 15 or so in this group except for three diamond-frame riders, me and my buddy David, also on a recumbent. Well, David was dropped in the last mile.

Even more remarkable were the ages of the riders.... the other three were in their last 50's to mid-60's. David is a few years younger than me.

Our moving average was a bit under 20. Given that it was an urban ride with a ton of lights, we did pretty good!
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Old 05-29-2012, 06:00 AM   #23963
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Did a nice 41 mile ride today. I leave the Garmin trip timer running all the time - look at the speeds after the rest stop...it's where the speed flat-lines for 15 minutes or so. From that point on, we were basically at 25 mph or faster. Everyone was dropped out of 15 or so in this group except for three diamond-frame riders, me and my buddy David, also on a recumbent. Well, David was dropped in the last mile.

Even more remarkable were the ages of the riders.... the other three were in their last 50's to mid-60's. David is a few years younger than me.

Our moving average was a bit under 20. Given that it was an urban ride with a ton of lights, we did pretty good!
That's another reason I'm giving up road riding. I don't think it's at all fair that riders much older than me are able to ride faster. At least on the mtb trails, I'm the oldest one out there, and in the rare instances where someone does pass me on the trail, I can always use the excuse that he's half my age.
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:31 AM   #23964
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I've got one of each. I've read all the alleged advantages of the 29er's over 26er's, but I've been unable to prove any of them in practice. I've seen no noticeable advantage in climbing or stability or better traction over my 26er. My suspicion is that they're simply too small to be measured in anything but 'laboratory conditions'.
I think a lot of that has to do with riding style, experience, and terrain. Up here, everyone sees a noticeable difference in what a 29er can do. The two regulars who ride with me, saw it on the very first time I went out on my 29er. As you may recall, I've ridden the trails you ride. There's a noticeable difference in the sugar sand and rooted areas.

Also, you're comparing a long-travel 26" (plush-absorbs it all and has a totally different suspension design from your 29er) to a XC 29er (tighter ride). I think if you compared like bikes, with the same suspension design and travel, rode at a faster pace, rode more challenging terrain (more mountainous area), you'd see the difference. I'm not putting down your capabilities, let me be clear about that.

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What is instantly apparent however, is that my 26er is quicker through the turns, accelerates and stops faster than the 29er, and just feels a lot more lively and fun to ride aggressively. And the differences in these respects are by no means subtle.
I'll agree with that. I kept my 26" for a while, before letting it go. But, everytime I grabbed a MTB, I took my 29er. I do miss the lively ride of my 26", though.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:55 AM   #23965
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I think a lot of that has to do with riding style, experience, and terrain. Up here, everyone sees a noticeable difference in what a 29er can do. The two regulars who ride with me, saw it on the very first time I went out on my 29er. As you may recall, I've ridden the trails you ride. There's a noticeable difference in the sugar sand and rooted areas.
I think I can say pretty confidently that I've ridden these two bikes on every kind of terrain one can find in the area: little rocks, huge boulders, small and large roots, sugar sand, hard packed dirt, steep climbs and descents, and even through grassy fields. I've also had two very experienced riders (Ben Mays, who runs a mtb training school, and Dave, a former BMX racer) do back to back tests, and both came away with exactly the same impressions I have. Neither could say for sure whether the 29er was indeed faster over all, but both said without the slightest reservation that it felt slow and sluggish compared to the 26er.

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Also, you're comparing a long-travel 26" (plush-absorbs it all and has a totally different suspension design from your 29er) to a XC 29er (tighter ride). I think if you compared like bikes, with the same suspension design and travel, rode at a faster pace, rode more challenging terrain (more mountainous area), you'd see the difference.
I'm not aware of any 29ers with 6" of shock travel, so I don't know how such a comparison could be made. I'm told that 29ers typically have less shock travel because their larger wheels roll over objects more easily. That would still mean however, that a 29er with 4" of shock travel would be less effective at absorbing hits when going off drops than a 26er with a full 6" of shock travel.

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I'm not putting down your capabilities, let me be clear about that.
It would be a perfectly legitimate point if you did. Rider skill is obviously going to determine to some extent how the bike behaves. Long travel suspension may make up for imperfectly timed landings, for instance - something an expert rider may not experience at all. A 26er, which allows the rider to make more rapid adjustments in speed when entering corners or when climbing steep slopes, is going to be more forgiving in instances where I'm either carrying too much velocity or too little. I also find it much easier to make rapid course adjustments, which pays big dividends when racing up a slope and not knowing which way the trail will turn as I reach the top. A more experienced rider would be familiar with these trails and have chosen his entry perfectly to avoid any surprises. Yet the fact that a 26er enables me to make up for these kinds of mistakes is something I would say counts for it rather than against it.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:42 AM   #23966
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:10 PM   #23967
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Just picked this up today. I have been out of bike riding for years but the area where I live has lots of great roads and paths. This bike should be perfect for the kind of riding I do.

My R1100R and XR400 will handle everything else.

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Old 05-29-2012, 01:45 PM   #23968
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I've got one of each. I've read all the alleged advantages of the 29er's over 26er's, but I've been unable to prove any of them in practice. I've seen no noticeable advantage in climbing or stability or better traction over my 26er. My suspicion is that they're simply too small to be measured in anything but 'laboratory conditions'. What is instantly apparent however, is that my 26er is quicker through the turns, accelerates and stops faster than the 29er, and just feels a lot more lively and fun to ride aggressively. And the differences in these respects are by no means subtle.
I'm faster on my 29er than on my 26er on my timed route that I've been riding for four years. I also climb better on it and clear a lot of rocky ledge climbs that I never could before it. I broke my rear derailleur on my Niner and went back to my Yeti 26er and didn't like it. I sold it once I got my Niner fixed. Different strokes I guess.
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:57 PM   #23969
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Many wise people have said that it's important to learn to pick a line and negotiate obstacles with a 26er first. Then go to 29.
And other wise people have said just the opposite. Both bikes have their pros/cons - just get the one you like and enjoy the sport
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:04 PM   #23970
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And other wise people have said just the opposite. Both bikes have their pros/cons - just get the one you like and enjoy the sport
its a lot easier on your bike and wallet to learn how to pick a line and ride smoothly.

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