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Old 06-22-2012, 01:59 PM   #8731
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Not one of us would deny there are major problems in Mexico.

That said, there are no bullets zipping around when you step out of the house (at least not where I am or any other member here as far as I can tell)

You have an image like it's 80's Beirut on a bad day. That is VERY wrong, and that's all us pro-mexico posters are trying to point out.

None of us have said you shouldn't be careful. But a visit to Mexico will NOT automatically end in murder or kidnapping. The people who say it will are the only ones we are speaking out against.

Yes, certain places in the rest of the world are dangerous. You don't go there and stay safe. Use the same precautions in Mexico and you'll be fine. Just cancel the booking at the Juarez Hilton.

By the way, lay off the insults. We live here. We have the right to defend the place and respond to posters who only know Mexico from the oh-so-unbiased and thorough US media.
There's a couple regulars on this list that stated they had bodies dumped down the street from where they live, and have had bullets zipping around their relatives houses. And the story that bikers aren't targeted is starting to fade away as more people report being targeted, those bullets that hit the bikes of that last group could have just as well hit and killed someone, then it would be totally over..... It's only a matter of time before it happens.

I've been to Mexico, I love it there and never met a bad person, I love the food and culture, I spent about $18000usd setting up a hack rig to ride down there with no time limits, but for me, risk assessment, I have it on hold for now.

The only other places on the planet that have the type of violence that is going on in Mexico is Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Somalia could be on that list as well. It's a damn shame but that is what the number of dead, the atrocities, pictures and videos prove out. Saying that does not and is not meant to disrespect your country or the "good" people of your country, it's just what is happening there for real. For a guy to ride down there that doesn't know the place or be fluent in the language, it is kinda daunting.

As far as you being incensed about perceived insults of country, the way you guys shit on the U.S. and now France, I'll just take what you say with a grain of salt..................

As far as the U.S. Media, I'm with you there, they are a joke, there hasn't been any competent news media here in a long time, if there ever was? We get fed a lot of propaganda here!!
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:21 PM   #8732
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From Craneguy's post: "That said, there are no bullets zipping around when you step out of the house (at least not where I am or any other member here as far as I can tell)
You have an image like it's 80's Beirut on a bad day. That is VERY wrong, and that's all us pro-mexico posters are trying to point out. " Plenty of bullets yesterday...... http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....postcount=8991

Apparently you fly in to D.F. escorted to Cuernavaca to a fortified highly guarded gated community . Buy a used mex plated bike and ride around to Cautla ??? Look theres a big border with hit and miss areas in between .
Fake cops , paa militaires in uniforme. A world upside down.. And the big joke is they are more worried about a vehicle TVIP than public safety !!!! What a joke . Things are worst up north and east in my old stomping grounds.


Taxco the once beautiful silver city has had like 20 executions in the last month. This is absurd and never heard of
before. The filth, the decapitations are spreading all over the republic.
At the risk of feeding the troll:

No, I don't ride to the northern states, but that's because I personally don't need to. There's plenty to see between here and Cuautla. I'll leave the comments about the border towns and the routes south to others who have more experience.

Yes, those GSers were shot at, and it looks like the lady had a good excuse for trying to get away. However, the guy who was actually robbed lost a little money and was allowed to go on his merry way. That's typically the worst that will happen.

Wave bunches of $50's around in a bad neighborhood and you'll get what you deserve.

Whatever you say you still cannot point to a single incident of Narcos killing or kidnapping tourists. From what my native friends tell me, they don't want the hassle. Prove that it happens or shut up and stop scare mongering.

By the way, I'm going to Taxco tomorrow. If I get kidnapped, beheaded or filled with 7.62, I'll be sure to stop back here and tell everyone you were right.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:30 PM   #8733
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Craneguy,
Your comment about not riding the Northern states is interesting. For those of us that live north of the Rio Grande ( that's most of us), the only way to get to the middle or the southern states is to ride the northern states; otherwise we wouldn't get there at all, unless we fly.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:31 PM   #8734
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Planning to spend the first week of July riding through Tamaulipas to (hopefully) Veracruz then west to (maybe) Villa Bernal then back home.

Will update here on security issues, tacos ricos, Indio beer, and all things México.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:43 PM   #8735
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Planning to spend the first week of July riding through Tamaulipas to (hopefully) Veracruz then west to (maybe) Villa Bernal then back home.

Will update here on security issues, tacos ricos, Indio beer, and all things México.
I'm jealous. I like Veracruz and I can't get Indio in Mississippi.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:45 PM   #8736
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Planning to spend the first week of July riding through Tamaulipas to (hopefully) Veracruz then west to (maybe) Villa Bernal then back home.

Will update here on security issues, tacos ricos, Indio beer, and all things México.
Heading down around the same time....same route but stopping in Cd. Victoria for a few days b4 Veracruz.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:49 PM   #8737
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Craneguy,
Your comment about not riding the Northern states is interesting. For those of us that live north of the Rio Grande ( that's most of us), the only way to get to the middle or the southern states is to ride the northern states; otherwise we wouldn't get there at all, unless we fly.
I live about 600 miles south of the border. I have no reason to head up there, as I have a lot to see down here!

Eventually I will, without doubt. When I do I will pick my routes and areas carefully, and probably find someone to ride with who knows the region better than I do.

As we keep saying, it's also about mitigating risk. The northern border states are riskier to ride in than down here, so until I have seen all there to see in the South, I probably won't go there.

If you want to get to the safest parts of Mexico, you have to find a way south. If you feel it's too risky, you shouldn't do it. That is your risk management process.

I was going to buy a bike in the US last year and ride down. If you check my first ever post you'll see I went looking for advice and a group to ride with. In the end I went to Canada on a contract, and then discovered I couldn't return to the USA (visa issues) so I had to buy here instead.

Anyway, don't pay any attention to me when it comes to the north. Follow the advice of the guys that live there (and certainly not people living in Europe)
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:53 PM   #8738
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I live about 600 miles south of the border. I have no reason to head up there, as I have a lot to see down here!

Eventually I will, without doubt. When I do I will pick my routes and areas carefully, and probably find someone to ride with who knows the region better than I do.

As we keep saying, it's also about mitigating risk. The northern border states are riskier to ride in than down here, so until I have seen all there to see in the South, I probably won't go there.

If you want to get to the safest parts of Mexico, you have to find a way south. If you feel it's too risky, you shouldn't do it. That is your risk management process.

I was going to buy a bike in the US last year and ride down. If you check my first ever post you'll see I went looking for advice and a group to ride with. In the end I went to Canada on a contract, and then discovered I couldn't return to the USA (visa issues) so I had to buy here
instead.

Anyway, don't pay any attention to me when it comes to the north. Follow the advice of the guys that live there (and certainly not people living in Europe)
I didn't say I have a problem with the risk (I don't). I was just making the point that the majority here can't avoid the north if we are going to ride in Mexico.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:54 PM   #8739
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Chango/Hombre have been given a permanent vacation, though I suspect he'll try again with a new fake n00b.

We apologize for the delayed action but the Trip Planning mods are by and large retired from modding and don't get around here much anymore.

I will clean up the rest of his posts and move them to Head Explody later tonight after I get home and can access a real computer.

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Old 06-22-2012, 03:04 PM   #8740
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:06 PM   #8741
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Chango/Hombre have been given a permanent vacation, though I suspect he'll try again with a new fake n00b.

We apologize for the delayed action but the Trip Planning mods are by and large retired from modding and don't get around here much anymore.

I will clean up the rest of his posts and move them to Head Explody later tonight after I get home and can access a real computer.

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Old 06-22-2012, 03:09 PM   #8742
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Thanks JD !!!!

Now this thread will be tranquilo
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:16 PM   #8743
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:25 PM   #8744
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Chango/Hombre have been given a permanent vacation, though I suspect he'll try again with a new fake n00b.

We apologize for the delayed action but the Trip Planning mods are by and large retired from modding and don't get around here much anymore.

I will clean up the rest of his posts and move them to Head Explody later tonight after I get home and can access a real computer.

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Old 06-22-2012, 03:46 PM   #8745
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Heading down around the same time....same route but stopping in Cd. Victoria for a few days b4 Veracruz.
Let's keep in touch by PM. Maybe see you down there.
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