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Old 06-22-2012, 05:03 PM   #8746
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Where do you live JD, so I can ship you a box of Indio and a bottle of a fine Tequila


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Old 06-22-2012, 05:14 PM   #8747
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Chango/Hombre have been given a permanent vacation, though I suspect he'll try again with a new fake n00b.

We apologize for the delayed action but the Trip Planning mods are by and large retired from modding and don't get around here much anymore.

I will clean up the rest of his posts and move them to Head Explody later tonight after I get home and can access a real computer.

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Now we'll have to go back to filling a few pages per week with meaningful commentary instead of the troll bait chango inspired. Day-um!
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:16 PM   #8748
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Thanks JD, that is one welcomed piece of news.

To keep on track, I am sorry to report that Mexico is dangerous and now I believe it.

My son hurt his foot at a football game last Saturday (American Football, there is a huge league here believe it or not) and his ligaments became so inflamed that I took him to Hospiten for a visit with one of the best sports orthopedic Doctors around. Their two Hospitals are the Hospitals of choice with all Resorts both here and Cancun. We are lucky to have great Hospitals here in Mexico.

As I walked in I could not help but notice how many tourists were in the main lobby. Some were arguing to the staff wanting to see their loved one and to talk to their doctor. Some were sitting, apparently in shock, pensive and worried. More people checked in limping. One was being helped while walking and I could not tell if he was totally drunk or actually hurt, I later figured out it was both.

The place looked like a war zone, with casualties everywhere. I could not believe how many injured tourist there were. I later asked the doctor what was going on and he said it was typical, especially Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays when their vacation week was ending. Two patients had heart attacks, but most injuries were from falls at the resort (bar related) some injuries were from diving in shallow pools, two people crashed their ATV on a tour, a couple were boat injuries (what he meant by that I do not know, I didn’t ask.)

He said, "Well, it is the reason I could not see you until 7pm. I get to see most of them, as most injuries are usually foot/leg/hip/spine related. The majority of my patients are drinking related." He said with a big smile.

So there, I said it! Be careful in Mexico! It can be dangerous. Beer is ever flowing and at most times it is followed by many tequila shots. All it takes are a few drinks, wet tiles around the pool area and you could be injured. It is not as safe as your office cubicle at home, guaranteed. Throw in a motorcycle on top of that and it can be outright deadly.

Anyways, no one was there for gunshot wounds or violent injuries. Most were there for self-inflicted mishaps.

My heart goes out to each and every one of them. It was sad to see so many people who were obviously having a great time having their vacation cut short due to something as stupid as a fall. Very sad indeed
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:32 PM   #8749
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Thanks JD, that is one welcomed piece of news.

To keep on track, I am sorry to report that Mexico is dangerous and now I believe it.

My son hurt his foot at a football game last Saturday (American Football, there is a huge league here believe it or not) and his ligaments became so inflamed that I took him to Hospiten for a visit with one of the best sports orthopedic Doctors around. Their two Hospitals are the Hospitals of choice with all Resorts both here and Cancun. We are lucky to have great Hospitals here in Mexico.

As I walked in I could not help but notice how many tourists were in the main lobby. Some were arguing to the staff wanting to see their loved one and to talk to their doctor. Some were sitting, apparently in shock, pensive and worried. More people checked in limping. One was being helped while walking and I could not tell if he was totally drunk or actually hurt, I later figured out it was both.

The place looked like a war zone, with casualties everywhere. I could not believe how many injured tourist there were. I later asked the doctor what was going on and he said it was typical, especially Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays when their vacation week was ending. Two patients had heart attacks, but most injuries were from falls at the resort (bar related) some injuries were from diving in shallow pools, two people crashed their ATV on a tour, a couple were boat injuries (what he meant by that I do not know, I didn’t ask.)

He said, "Well, it is the reason I could not see you until 7pm. I get to see most of them, as most injuries are usually foot/leg/hip/spine related. The majority of my patients are drinking related." He said with a big smile.

So there, I said it! Be careful in Mexico! It can be dangerous. Beer is ever flowing and at most times it is followed by many tequila shots. All it takes are a few drinks, wet tiles around the pool area and you could be injured. It is not as safe as your office cubicle at home, guaranteed. Throw in a motorcycle on top of that and it can be outright deadly.

Anyways, no one was there for gunshot wounds or violent injuries. Most were there for self-inflicted mishaps.

My heart goes out to each and every one of them. It was sad to see so many people who were obviously having a great time having their vacation cut short due to something as stupid as a fall. Very sad indeed
Well said, while on vacation just watching the people that think because the drinks are all-inclusive they think they gotta try to drink it all.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:20 PM   #8750
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Thanks JD, that is one welcomed piece of news.

To keep on track, I am sorry to report that Mexico is dangerous and now I believe it.

My son hurt his foot at a football game last Saturday (American Football, there is a huge league here believe it or not) and his ligaments became so inflamed that I took him to Hospiten for a visit with one of the best sports orthopedic Doctors around. Their two Hospitals are the Hospitals of choice with all Resorts both here and Cancun. We are lucky to have great Hospitals here in Mexico.

As I walked in I could not help but notice how many tourists were in the main lobby. Some were arguing to the staff wanting to see their loved one and to talk to their doctor. Some were sitting, apparently in shock, pensive and worried. More people checked in limping. One was being helped while walking and I could not tell if he was totally drunk or actually hurt, I later figured out it was both.

The place looked like a war zone, with casualties everywhere. I could not believe how many injured tourist there were. I later asked the doctor what was going on and he said it was typical, especially Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays when their vacation week was ending. Two patients had heart attacks, but most injuries were from falls at the resort (bar related) some injuries were from diving in shallow pools, two people crashed their ATV on a tour, a couple were boat injuries (what he meant by that I do not know, I didn’t ask.)

He said, "Well, it is the reason I could not see you until 7pm. I get to see most of them, as most injuries are usually foot/leg/hip/spine related. The majority of my patients are drinking related." He said with a big smile.

So there, I said it! Be careful in Mexico! It can be dangerous. Beer is ever flowing and at most times it is followed by many tequila shots. All it takes are a few drinks, wet tiles around the pool area and you could be injured. It is not as safe as your office cubicle at home, guaranteed. Throw in a motorcycle on top of that and it can be outright deadly.

Anyways, no one was there for gunshot wounds or violent injuries. Most were there for self-inflicted mishaps.

My heart goes out to each and every one of them. It was sad to see so many people who were obviously having a great time having their vacation cut short due to something as stupid as a fall. Very sad indeed
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:33 PM   #8751
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For the Record

There exists a broad spectrum of opinion out there as to just how dangerous Mexico is for the motorcycle traveler.

Here in the "Is Mexico Safe" thread we respect both opinons. And we don't care if you change horses in the middle of the stream, that is to say, you once thought it safe to ride there but have now decided to take a pause on travel south. That's fine. Or, maybe reading about the adventures of the regular posters here you decide to saddle up and see Mexico and/or points south. That's fine too.

Many of us ride Mexico regularly. We love her people, her culture, her landscape, her food, her customs and often those things you just can't put your finger on. Most of us comment on how "safe" we feel once we cross the border out of the US of A and enter Mexico. There are some of us who only ride a couple of hundred kilometers inside the border, see a few things, and come home after a few days. Some, like Sjoerd, plot extensive routes inside Mexico and keep a history of off-the-beaten-path travels on a well worn map (he showed it to me at Casa Tricepilot). A lot of us have favorite areas of Mexico. Some of our current favs is the area surrounding Durango where SR lives, the area in and around Veracruz where MikeMike lives, and many of us enjoying my personal favorite part of Mexico, Oaxaca.

Not one of the regulars here say that travel in Mexico by motorcycle is without risk. Mexico is indeed in the midst of a drug war and some would say in certain areas the climate borders on civil war. BUT, and the reader of this thread has to listen here, the task is to size up the risk individually and make a personal decision to go or stay home. My decision to ride through Mexico to Guatemala in January is not a signal to everyone else that the same decision is right for them. Once in Mexico, I generally do not go out late at night to parts of town I don't know and stay late into the night. Others have this practice, its just not normally mine. Different risk management choices. Some people take great pride in riding solo in Mexico. I have ridden many miles solo in Mexico. Although under the current climate, and in a tip of the hat to concerns of Tricewife, I have modified my risk management profile to endeavor to ride with another rider as much as possible.

Participation in the Is Mexico Safe thread is not a stamp that those who regularly post here believe Mexico is without issues. Regular riders believe the risks can be managed and they press on. I have personally posted stories and follow-up commentary on those who have encountered danger in Mexico. I recently posted the letter to the editor of BMW ON magazine regarding the robbery near El Fuerte experience by Tope_Stomper and her riding partners. The more we share these actual, credible experiences the more data points we have to use to make our go/no-go decisions and to adjust our habits and practices on the motorcycle should we decide to press on. Based upon her report, for example, several riders reengergized their practice of spreading money around their bikes and once again committed to carrying a "throw-away" wallet. Stories like hers have a definite home here in this thread. Also welcome is commentary by anyone who takes in such stories and changes their attitude about riding to Mexico.

It is true that most of the posts here in this thread are by frequent Mexico riders. Out of that association a bond has grown and we look forward to hanging out at the "bar" so to speak and having a virtual coffee or beer together. And from that, many of us have met via this thread and have gone "downrange" across the Rio Bravo and gone exploring Mexico together. These days, what we often like to do is point the bike towards an expat's house in Mexico and go and enjoy their hospitality and share in the discoveries they've made and go meet and enjoy the friendship of their neighbors. We often meet here in virtual space to shoot the breeze, have a laugh, and do what most regulars do on all threads that have legs on ADV.

Don't think that all the while, we're not keeping an eye ourselves on the news, the State Department warnings, intel from those living inside the country, and sending PMs to each other with "what do you think?" We keep in mind what we read from everyone here who post "this happened to me" stories.

What is not helpful here is the broad brush on Mexico, one way or the other. The recent post including wording to the effect that Mexico "has the smell of death, eminating from its bowels" is a perfect example. This is disrespectful, untrue, insulting and does not make a contribution. We will address these posts and posters, and attempt to draw out a more meaningful dialog. By the same token, if anyone can send me a PM with a link to a post where a regular on this thread made any kind of statement that Mexico motorcycle travel is completely risk free and without concern, provide your address in that link and I'll send you a case of your favorite beer, and I will personally issue you a public nod that we haven't done our job here in our endeavors to keep perspective in balance.

Finally, to Arte.

Arte I hope you are not offended by reading what to me on certain occasions appeared to be insulting characterization of your country.

Mexico is deeply respected and loved by those who frequent this board. Thank you for your friendship, your hospitality, your ride reports, and your willingness to assist those who ride down to discovery more about your land.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:39 PM   #8752
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Changos right...

I do live in a fortified neighbor hood!!!

Oh wait... it's all in my head.....



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Old 06-22-2012, 06:47 PM   #8753
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There exists a broad spectrum of opinion out there as to just how dangerous Mexico is for the motorcycle traveler....blah blah blah ...discover more about your land.
Excellent post Tricepilot. If anyone was looking for a perfect time to close a thread, I think this would be the post to go out on.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:58 PM   #8754
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Excellent post Trice: very well said!

we must have been typing at the same time, I would not intentionally have my humor following that...
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:07 PM   #8755
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Excellent post Tricepilot. If anyone was looking for a perfect time to close a thread, I think this would be the post to go out on.
As long as there are people interested in traveling to Mexico, this thread will be around
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:11 PM   #8756
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Great post Tricepilot, you have ridden all over this Country and you have seen much more than I have (and I live here!)

I share much of the same opinion, but you can send me a case of beer, XX Amber if you please. I have ridden many kilometers in Mexico and I have never, ever, ever encountered anything remotely dangerous.

O.K. will I be disqualified if I mention wandering taxis, big trucks and donkeys etc. trying to kill me?

An inmate just started a Ride Report, he's off to a very interesting start. Let us all subscribe to his report and see what happens. I think he will be the best judge for us at this time.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=801644
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:12 PM   #8757
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I've added my comments above to post #2 to this thread.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:51 PM   #8758
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As long as there are people interested in traveling to Mexico, this thread will be around
At 9,000+ posts, is anyone new likely to get this far? I have new posts at the top and 100 replies per page, and I still have to scroll like a crazy man to keep up.

Good move to copy your comments to the beginning!
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:12 PM   #8759
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Trice,
Excellent and very accurate comments!
I have been traveling to Mexico for over 25 years have a ton of memories, loads of friends in Mexico and the desire to return is often as I can...
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:15 PM   #8760
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Trice's excellent post has reminded me of my own process of arriving at the go/nogo decision to ride México and the role this thread and the RR's of several here played in that decision. Since that time over 2 years ago it's been my great privilege to travel with a number of different México riders of varying levels of experience and I have known no other travelers to posses a greater understanding of the issues involved in adventure travel.

I will miss Chango's many positive and entertaining posts and hope that his permaban will encourage all to avoid going toxic on this most excellent thread.
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