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Old 06-29-2012, 02:30 PM   #1
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Guzzi Rig construction underway.......... at last.

After lengthy and EXPENSIVE house restoration work, never buy a house older than your grandparents, I am happy to have got the ball rolling with the guzzi this week. I have posted some of these early pics before in discussions, but, I shall begin with the starting components.
I have built a few outfits, some I have been proud of, but some not. I have owned bikes of all shapes and sizes, however, I have discovered I am a 'Guzzi man', so, a Guzzi rig is the future for my family and I.
Here we have a 94/95 cally 1100i, I picked this up locally with 21k on the clock for sensible money.


And bought this a few months back, a hedingham XL with towbar and as it was originally fitted to a 95 cally, it has all the brackets and clamps to suit.

bit of a squeeze



A chap who has returned his cally outfit to a solo due to his arms not having adequate strength, what nonsense, but hios loss I suppose, paid a third of what they cost new
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Old 06-29-2012, 02:38 PM   #2
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Not enough upper body strength? Didn't he realize that by driving the rig, he would BUILD upper body strength? Oh well

Nice looking kit - good luck with the build.
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Old 06-29-2012, 02:44 PM   #3
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So, after a couple of hours with the disc cutter removing the mounting hardware my garage floor now looks like this.


Another squeeze and the tub is in the ford estate, off to the paint shop.



Dropped it all of this evening at the paint shop, a good friend who has done all my painting, and hopefully he can match it all up. I cant find the paint codes so hes going from his chip books. Fingers crossed he can match it all up to this scheme, hes asked that I leave the arrangement to him, nerve racking but lets see what he comes up with. I also dropped a fuel can as I hope to mount it between the bike and tub on a lockable frame. Heres what hes got to match up.


I have pulled the front out this evening ready for the Leading links to go in, will update when Ive got it all in. Heres what I left with the painter.

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Old 06-29-2012, 03:03 PM   #4
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I was offered a car type rear wheel for the bike with a brand new 135 15 michelin on, while I would prefer to get a smaller 15inch rim laced up onto my hub, it would be a better option financially. I could also sell the stock wheel on to recoup some of the 150 the guy wants. The problem is I heard from this chap some time back and now I cannot get hold of him.


I REALLY dont want to be fitting this AFTER I have finished, and then trying to re-align everything as its screwed up the geometry.
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:58 PM   #5
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Did you ever have any thoughts of putting a chair on the Quota? I ask as I have a Ural sidecar to attach to either my Quota or the LM4, still tossing up which way to go.
Would like to see some pic's of the mounts when you get that far.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:31 AM   #6
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The frame on the quota is totally different, square section. My quota has gone now, replaced with an fjr1300, wow what a tool that is!

Id put the ural chair on the Quota, not sure it would suit the lm, whereas the 'adventure' styling of the quota would set it all off and that outfit would DEFINATELY fetch more, whereas a sidecar on a lemans would, more likely, make it worth less.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:12 PM   #7
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Do you need two leading link set ups for the vw or are you going to convert it to one front wheel
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:22 PM   #8
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Do you need two leading link set ups for the vw or are you going to convert it to one front wheel
Silly Billy, only one set required, just gotta chop her in half first.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:22 PM   #9
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Should be nice, always liked those chairs. I had my rear spoked wheel on my Cali relaced with a 15 inch car rim by Central Wheel Services in the Midlands. Think it cost me around 250 quid, but a good job. Heard lots of problems with broken spokes when not done well. I found putting the smaller back wheel on gives a big improvement on the gearing with the Cali,
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:29 PM   #10
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Do you need two leading link set ups for the vw or are you going to convert it to one front wheel
Very nice bug
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:41 AM   #11
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Very nice bug
Thank you.

Update, grabbed a couple of hours in the workshop this afternoon. The forks were VERY BLOODY TIGHT in the yolks/ triple trees, so much so that I had to devise a way of trying to open the yolks a little. I put a flat piece in the slot then screwed a bolt into the THREADED half of the yolk up against the flat openeing the yolk diameter as I tightened it up. STILL I had to beat the shit out of the forks to get them out. Measured them and they were at 40mm dead on, the leading links were at 40.3mm, Shit, how do I get those in? Removed the paint from the tops, back to 40.08mm and wound my yolk opening bolts in untill I felt they were ABOUT to strip the threads, much use of my trusty 4lb hammet to re-insert them in place of the teles and all is well, just so long as I never need to get them out that is. What does one do? Get the trees 'bored' out? Heres my attempt at making the yolks/trees biggerererer!

And only three hours later, shes all together.

You can see how the front end compares to the stock front end on my wifes cally.
Now on stop, other than preparing the wiring and brake pipe replacement until the paintwork, wheel, front square tyre comes back.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:01 PM   #12
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Man, that's looking good. Can't wait to see the finished results.
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Old 07-02-2012, 04:51 PM   #13
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Don't you want the swing arm bolted in the other hole for trail reduction or are you planing to ride it solo while waiting on the chair to get back?
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:47 AM   #14
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Don't you want the swing arm bolted in the other hole for trail reduction or are you planing to ride it solo while waiting on the chair to get back?
So, by moving the swing arm forward I get more leverage and make the steering lighter right?

Been doing this ages and the geometry still confuses me.

Anyone using a metzeler K block on the front? Triple duty avon only available in 19 inch, guzzi has 18inch front.
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:46 AM   #15
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So, by moving the swing arm forward I get more leverage and make the steering lighter right?

Been doing this ages and the geometry still confuses me.

Anyone using a metzeler K block on the front? Triple duty avon only available in 19 inch, guzzi has 18inch front.
Might be a bit tall to fit under the mudguard as they have a very a tall profile and are also a bit narrow compared to the standard tyre, but not tried one on my Cali so can't speak from experience. I currently have an Avon Roadrider 110/80 18 on the front of mine and it grips well and seems to be lasting OK. With rergard to the mounting of the swing arm, try and imagine a ling going through the steering head and project it to where it hits the ground. Now think where the contact patch is in relation to that point. The distance the contact patch is behind that point is your trail so moving the wheel forwards reduces the trail, making the steering lighter.
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