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Old 07-04-2012, 05:01 PM   #16
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My understanding of Stage II is marked forest roads, with exceptions for routes indicated on the MVUM. I take this to mean single track on the MVUM is OK. Single track not on the MVUM is even more forbidden than usual.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:02 PM   #17
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MVUM is the word.......
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Old 07-04-2012, 08:29 PM   #18
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Been raining here last few days; good soaking each day. It's suppose to rain more all week. Can't imagine going to III at this point.

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Old 07-05-2012, 08:54 AM   #19
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MVUM is the word.......
I don't think there is an MVUM yet for the Santa Fe Forest. They published their final EIS and a Record of Decision that will lead to an active MVUM no earlier than about Oct 20. If there are appeals as there surely will be, the MVUM will not take effect until all appeals are dealt with (which will probably be rejected out of hand).

The ROD states that not all trails and roads in the Alternative chosen will be on the first version of the MVUM until "issues are resolved".

Nearly all the trails we ride in the forest would be perfectly legal to ride were it not for the Stage II restrictions.

The rule in the forest now (before Travel Management) is that you can take motor vehicles anywhere you want as long as it is not in a special Motorized Travel Restricted Area or Wilderness Area. There aren't too many of these in the Jemez area of the SFNF.

A few of the trails do go thru private land and this is another issue.
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:43 AM   #20
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I don't think there is an MVUM yet for the Santa Fe Forest. They published their final EIS and a Record of Decision that will lead to an active MVUM no earlier than about Oct 20. If there are appeals as there surely will be, the MVUM will not take effect until all appeals are dealt with (which will probably be rejected out of hand).

The ROD states that not all trails and roads in the Alternative chosen will be on the first version of the MVUM until "issues are resolved".

Nearly all the trails we ride in the forest would be perfectly legal to ride were it not for the Stage II restrictions.

The rule in the forest now (before Travel Management) is that you can take motor vehicles anywhere you want as long as it is not in a special Motorized Travel Restricted Area or Wilderness Area. There aren't too many of these in the Jemez area of the SFNF.

A few of the trails do go thru private land and this is another issue.
Well, that sucks.

I know guys that sometimes ride the "secondary" trails in our area. I'm letting them know that they should stay off them while Class II restrictions are in place, as the penalties for violation are significantly higher.
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:46 AM   #21
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Stop by next time...I live off of NM4.

Looks like stage II by what you said.
Hi Geo!

I was riding with Gordy and wife and headed to Chimayo for lunch. Beautiful day for some street riding!

Love to stop by for a visit sometime!
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:53 AM   #22
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Thanks wb...I was always curious how they did that. Knowing the vast number of roads and access points, it seems an impossible task to actually close it or guarantee making everyone aware of it. I can see the camping being the biggest concern, of course.
It's closed to us honest people. Night time people that don't care its still open. Just one of those deals.
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:56 PM   #23
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Hi Geo!

I was riding with Gordy and wife and headed to Chimayo for lunch. Beautiful day for some street riding!

Love to stop by for a visit sometime!
Watch out around Chimayo, we were coming home from a ride in the Carson, a tribal cop wrote me for 52 in a 45. I had a line of cars behind me as I was pulling 3 bikes. At least it was only $65 with no points if paid in 30 days. Talk about a shakedown.
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:49 PM   #24
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Watch out around Chimayo, we were coming home from a ride in the Carson, a tribal cop wrote me for 52 in a 45. I had a line of cars behind me as I was pulling 3 bikes. At least it was only $65 with no points if paid in 30 days. Talk about a shakedown.
We saw lots of LEO's out yesterday, but none in the Cundiyo or Chimayo areas. Mostly near Jemez Springs, Hwy. 550 and north Hwy. 14.
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:58 PM   #25
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We saw lots of LEO's out yesterday, but none in the Cundiyo or Chimayo areas. Mostly near Jemez Springs, Hwy. 550 and north Hwy. 14.
I drove to Santa Fe yesterday via the Jemez, and I saw lots of LEOs waiting to bust folks, and in the process of busting folks. Tribal, sheriff deputies, troopers. They were all bringing home the bacon yesterday.
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Old 07-05-2012, 04:13 PM   #26
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I called the Santa Fe National Forest office in Santa Fe. Person I spoke with wasn't sure and transferred my call to Jemez district. This spokesperson indicated the roads never reopened. I pointed where she was wrong and that some, including fhe dome road had reoponed. Basically she had no idea of current closures or any imminent closures in next couple of days. Bottom line, go with what's posted on their website in hopes that this information is correct.

Per phone call with BLM; The BLM portion of Buckman is still at Stage I, SF National Forest in that area is at Stage II.
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Old 07-05-2012, 04:41 PM   #27
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My highly placed source (the guy behind the counter at the store in La Cueva) says they were all set to go to Stage III last weekend, but held off due to the forecast for this week. He said they are planning to go down to Stage I if the monsoon is here for real.

Not a super definitive source, but sounds like he knows a crapload more than the folks at the SFNF office.
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Old 07-05-2012, 05:38 PM   #28
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The monsoon season just started here, 45min of hard rain and hail.
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