The Vintage Trials Thread - Page 21

Pete-NZ · 07-27-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lineaway

Wow , that `77 sure resembles an `82. Nice.

The Red/black ia a bit of a boreing colour

lineaway · 07-27-2012, 05:04 AM

I remember actually stripping the paint off my `72 to paint it BLACK. That was january of 1974.

Twin-shocker · 07-27-2012, 09:55 AM

I think red/black looks quite nice on older bikes.

PSchrauber · 07-27-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Twin-shocker

I think red/black looks quite nice on older bikes.

Looks good, (the bike), sometimes color and the design of parts can either work as an connecting element or a staeg change of style. As design is part of my profession where I earn my money. I highly recommend to replace the rear shock spring or repaint the spring.

The colored rims doesn't match to the period of the bike, sadly a fashion of the last couple of years.

The quality of the rear silencer sharp edges don't match to the soft edges of the engine and especially the gas-tank-seat combo, (which fits very nice to the bike).

Is it yours?

Sting32 · 07-27-2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PSchrauber

The colored rims doesn't match to the period of the bike, Is it yours?

Nothing about that bike is "period" so why worry about paint?

Twin-shocker · 07-27-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PSchrauber

Looks good, (the bike), sometimes color and the design of parts can either work as an connecting element or a staeg change of style. As design is part of my profession where I earn my money. I highly recommend to replace the rear shock spring or repaint the spring.

The colored rims doesn't match to the period of the bike, sadly a fashion of the last couple of years.

The quality of the rear silencer sharp edges don't match to the soft edges of the engine and especially the gas-tank-seat combo, (which fits very nice to the bike).

Is it yours?

No not mine.........spring colour will be changed soon. Powder coating and polishing tatty original rims costs about 1/10 of the price of new. Exhaust works very well indeed, but certainly would have looked nicer if parts had been pressed.

Twin-shocker · 07-27-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sting32

Nothing about that bike is "period" so why worry about paint?

The bike runs and rides better than a 4RT so not its not period...............but to be honest I cant really see why anyone would want to ride a "period" bike in serious competition, when its not that difficult to make older bikes an awful lot better?

PSchrauber · 07-27-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sting32

Nothing about that bike is "period" so why worry about paint?

As the poster of the photo mentioned color I just posted my opinion.
That is my personal view certainly you can have another opinion. It's the same with favorite meals or colors.

In a serious twinshock event it's cool to ride a twinshock bike that do have the old look:

This bike is some decades older here the different components match very good and the design fits to the age of engine and frame, some new parts as the rear shocks, throttle and the bar are mounted.

It's a 200cc engine, very light and can be used in pre 65 class too.

Twin-shocker · 07-28-2012, 12:57 AM

The Zundapp looks quite competitive............I wonder is it an original bike, or something built recently with a period look?

Pete-NZ · 07-28-2012, 02:53 AM

Has anyone tryed putting fiber fiction plates in a cota clutch...
To make the steel pack work the clutch springing has to be so
heavy... If I could fine fibers close enough in size it's not hard to
re-machine them to fit...

Dose anyone know if its been done & what plates were used...

Twin-shocker · 07-28-2012, 05:42 AM

They make fibre plate conversions for Bultaco, and according to someone who has one they are rubbish. Why not fit a hydraulic conversion of extend the operating arm?

PSchrauber · 07-28-2012, 06:58 AM

To the Montesa clutch problem:

Hans-Jürg Pfahler (former Importer of Bultaco and Montesa) http://www.bultaco.de/ offers clutch conversion kits,
for these you have to send him the clutch for machining, (new basket). When I remember right he uses plates from Honda. Anyway this convertion is very good as I have heard from other riders but not cheap and you can't go back to the original set-up.

To The Zündapp:
Zündapp never made trials machines for public, the build some works bikes for national riders. In the 50's up to the beginning 70's there where no trialsbikes available for the public. The few bikes standard trials bikes that where ridden then where bought in foreign countrys or self imported, therefore many custom made bikes exist.

The Zündapp trials machines where build from the 200 and 250cc street bikes, so each bike do look different.

The engine and the frame is original, the tank is original too but modiefied, (made smaller), also the frame was rebuild, note the missing loop under the engine up to the steering steam which was a feature of Zündapp bikes in the late 50's. Any other parts are certainly custom made if they where done back then or just a couple of years ago is not visible. The point is that if they where made "today" they where made like they did 40 years and more ago. So the look and the characteristics are pretty much the same.

As already mentioned I like contemporary bikes where the main components (engine and frame) and the fittings, (fenders, wheels, ...) match there is backdraw when all components mate in the overall view.

brewtus · 07-28-2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin-shocker

Well I for one think this thing is damn pretty. If it ever found it's way to the Wild, Wild West, I'd be honored to steal it and take on Lineaway in NMTA's Twinshock class. Probably to the same result, but I'd look DAMN good doing so....

Pete-NZ · 07-28-2012, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSchrauber

To the Montesa clutch problem:

Hans-Jürg Pfahler (former Importer of Bultaco and Montesa) http://www.bultaco.de/ offers clutch conversion kits,
for these you have to send him the clutch for machining, (new basket). When I remember right he uses plates from Honda. Anyway this convertion is very good as I have heard from other riders but not cheap and you can't go back to the original set-up.

Yes I have read about there conversion...
Sending my clutch half way around the world to get them to do what I can do myself is
not really a option..
Just need to find some plates that fit or are close enough to machine to fit...
Guess I will have to go anoy the guys at the bike shops... See what I can
come up with...

AteamNM · 07-28-2012, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brewtus

Well I for one think this thing is damn pretty. Me too!

I'd be honored to steal it and take on Lineaway in NMTA's Twinshock class.

Lineaway is riding the vintage event this weekend in Howard Colorado. Go Bob go.

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07-27-2012, 05:04 AM	#302
lineaway Studly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2011 Location: nm Oddometer: 774	I remember actually stripping the paint off my `72 to paint it BLACK. That was january of 1974.

07-27-2012, 09:55 AM	#303
Twin-shocker Studly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2012 Oddometer: 993	I think red/black looks quite nice on older bikes.

07-28-2012, 12:57 AM	#309
Twin-shocker Studly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2012 Oddometer: 993	The Zundapp looks quite competitive............I wonder is it an original bike, or something built recently with a period look?

07-28-2012, 05:42 AM	#311
Twin-shocker Studly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2012 Oddometer: 993	They make fibre plate conversions for Bultaco, and according to someone who has one they are rubbish. Why not fit a hydraulic conversion of extend the operating arm?

07-28-2012, 06:58 AM	#312
PSchrauber Studly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2011 Location: Summer: Kemiö, Finland; Winter: North Germany Oddometer: 641	To the Montesa clutch problem: Hans-Jürg Pfahler (former Importer of Bultaco and Montesa) http://www.bultaco.de/ offers clutch conversion kits, for these you have to send him the clutch for machining, (new basket). When I remember right he uses plates from Honda. Anyway this convertion is very good as I have heard from other riders but not cheap and you can't go back to the original set-up. To The Zündapp: Zündapp never made trials machines for public, the build some works bikes for national riders. In the 50's up to the beginning 70's there where no trialsbikes available for the public. The few bikes standard trials bikes that where ridden then where bought in foreign countrys or self imported, therefore many custom made bikes exist. The Zündapp trials machines where build from the 200 and 250cc street bikes, so each bike do look different. The engine and the frame is original, the tank is original too but modiefied, (made smaller), also the frame was rebuild, note the missing loop under the engine up to the steering steam which was a feature of Zündapp bikes in the late 50's. Any other parts are certainly custom made if they where done back then or just a couple of years ago is not visible. The point is that if they where made "today" they where made like they did 40 years and more ago. So the look and the characteristics are pretty much the same. As already mentioned I like contemporary bikes where the main components (engine and frame) and the fittings, (fenders, wheels, ...) match there is backdraw when all components mate in the overall view.