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Old 07-24-2012, 04:29 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by DirtyDog View Post
I had to travel miles and miles in a maze-like fashion to successfully cross a particular creek. It's an infamous crossing...
I read about the nudie TAT riders, I'd like to hear about how you got over/around/through that creek? I went back and reread your TAT report but couldn't find that particular tale....
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:21 PM   #242
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I bid the TAT Adieu..!

Swooped into Lake City last night amid the Monsoon rains..

Patronized a bar that had some good brewski and eats..

Great Place to unwind after a windy, twisty ride down from the cold Mountains.

When I am on a trip no matter how seriously difficult... I always include some good eats... the TAT is to me not all about prowess, suffering, machine busting heroics.. but also embrace the surrounding area of culture: the Towns; the people...Americana..

If you see an intriguing little shop at the edge of a tiny hamlet, I take the time to stop and go inside. Talk to the locals, listen to the rivers ??, smell the smoke from forest fires. Each sense will heighten your appreciation of the journey that you’re on. Don’t be afraid to stop at the side of the road in the middle of nowhere and just sit and for you hearies listen to the absolute silence or for us deafies; the wind sighing in the branches of the trees and the smell of the land. Get off your bike and check out up close the devastation that a forest fire leaves behind in its wake, discovering the delicate return of life under the fallen trees.

There is so much more to a trip like this than just eating up the miles and saying "I did it." You’re making memories, so make the most of it while you can.This is how I intended to do the TAT..not Iron Butting it!

And here's food for thought >>>!!

When the WiFi in the Motel sucked...I found the ideal place..

Here's where I feed you my stories...

My bare essential room; wood floor; leaking water from condenser onto wet carpet; 100 year old matress; 2 outlets; 1980's TV....ah, and adenture nonethless..

And for $93.00 Dollars...eecchh...they didn't even know what the password was for their Wifi, so had to go to either the Coffee shop or a Bar...

Ok.. enough of Foodies and Lake Cities comings and goings...

Left early, cold cold..bundled up and hit the slopes to...

Easy Peasy at first...great surface to slowly ascend to:

A heavenly majestic Entrance...

Then came Bronson..!! and got stopped cold.

Pictures do no justice was a steep slope..I needed momentum from the base but the constant traffic of Jeeps, ATV slowed me simply spit rocks backwards toward the hordes of ATV'ers..I needed speed due to my one wheel drive to traverse the slope which I had to scale for about 13 miles to the summit of Cinnamon Pass. To no avail...had difficulty turning around to as I am 60" wide...alas gave up for safeties sake and descended back toward Lake City. Did I feel defeated, of course not..just that a one wheel drive with a sidecar on the hip isn't doable if you had to slow down for these ATV''ers and Jeep..I needed to bypass them in order to gain dice. Didn't want to be the terror of Cinnamon Pass.

Down I went....reliefed...this is the first time the rig met a real obstacle. I'll come back sans sidecar someday. Perhaps detach the sidecar and come back with the GS. Perfectly doable! This mountain is supposed to be friendly for Big Bikes..while Engineer Pass isn't..

Went down and returned to Salida toward HOME.

Traversed one last Mountain via pavement...took a deep breath and bid him good bye.

And now while I close and go HOME...I want to thank you all for the tremendous support and information you provided. I will be back with full force...probalby with a solo bike...400cc or less or even my GS after detaching the Tub from her hip and slay those buggers. The GS is more comfortable on the way home...

HERE's a Riding Quotation for those who stay home and procrastinate when it’ all work ($$$) and no play

"All the money in the world won't buy you more than your allotted time. Personally I'm pretty sure I'll never have quite enough of either but time gets my vote."


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Old 07-24-2012, 07:31 PM   #243
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Pour ceux qui comprennent la langue des signes américaine pour les sourds!

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Old 07-24-2012, 08:04 PM   #244
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:49 PM   #245
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Well done Elmar! Onward home you go!! See ya soon!!

A magnificent thread!!

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Old 07-25-2012, 08:42 AM   #246
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Congrats on what you've accomplished here Elmer! And thanks for keeping us entertained. The DRZ is a great choice for the TAT.

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Pour ceux qui comprennent la langue des signes américaine pour les sourds!
Merci pour le video, tres interesant. Je comprends bien le francais mais pas la langue des signes americaines; peut-etre des sous-titres?
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:42 AM   #247
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Elmer congrats on a awesome trip, enjoyed your write up. If I ever see your mcdonals Gs on the road ( no missing it LOL ) I'll make sure to say hi.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:50 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by Abenteuerfahrer View Post
I bid the TAT Adieu..!

Congrats on an awesome trip and thanks ton for taking us along. It's been a pleasure reading your RR.

"All the money in the world won't buy you more than your allotted time. Personally I'm pretty sure I'll never have quite enough of either but time gets my vote."

I like it. If you get the time post up some pics of the ride home and good journey man.
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:05 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by mrprez View Post
I read about the nudie TAT riders, I'd like to hear about how you got over/around/through that creek? I went back and reread your TAT report but couldn't find that particular tale....
It happened multiple times, including Day 8 of my ride, but I pre-discussed some of the navigation issues on Day 6 and used it as an example.

Elmer- glad to hear you "finished" your adventure on positive terms. Look forward to more details...
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:12 AM   #250
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sorry you had to stop there but glad you made it to Colorado as you said you would!! It was a great ride and you made me wish I was there with you through some parts...other parts I'd leave it to you Can't wait to welcome you back home
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:57 PM   #251
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Great job. Very entertaining to say the least. We are hoping to get on a space-a flight today. Should be in San Diego by the weekend. So proud of your determination to continue your trip when you seemed to want to quit. Look forward to your next trip. Tel Sis and the family We love them.

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Old 07-26-2012, 11:06 AM   #252
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As I ride are a few closure statements of the TAT ride via sidecar.

The Machine:

The vehicle is my 2005 1200 GS with a DMC enduro side car. The bike sports 100 hp; has a 3:1 ratio final drive giving it plenty of tractor like grunt going at slow 1-2 gear. The standard trans came with a 2.82:1..which is in my opinion too high thus the 3.0!

I also sport car tires on the GS and sidecar which are interchangeable should the drive wheel tire wear down to 50%, I simply swap the sidecar tire which never seems to wear as it just rolls there. Longevity of this car tire(Vredestein 165/15-M/S) is somewhere around 8000-12,000 miles compared to theregualr motorcycle tires with the likes of Meteler Toruance ot Karoo...2500-3500 miles on a sidecar rig!

My 2005 GS also has ABS servo brakes, an absolute great help. One can stop the rig with just your pinkie finger. In addition thebike aslo has interlinked brakes. You can use the front brake only and both wheel are braked; most at about 85/15..front/ rear. The foot brake can be applied if so chosen but I never do. Riding on gravel I disable the ABS and use the rear 90% of the time. Coming down a steep descend not sense in braking via won't stop fully..brake non ABS where you can intentionally lock your rear..much better control on gravel.

The sidecar has it's own brake not linked to the in a quick right turn one can use a sling shot effect you a quicker right turn on gravel epecially downhill; not so making a left turn..slow down or accelerate intentionally with some spin to pivot the bike's rear to the right then re-accelerate and take off. Practice makes perfect..which so far I have perfected...I can thus ride pretty fast on gravel leaving most followers on bikes in the dust.

When sidecars are being build by the manufacturers, most do not need a kickplate because the subframe underneath the motor seems sufficient to protect the underbody on the engine..but in my opinion one can still accidentally sit upon a sharp rock that could get in between the 2 frames and penetrate into the crankcase. So I remodelled the original BMW kick plate to fit onto the subframe; hammer it our to mate then fasten with heavy SS clamps foreasy oil change removal.

This is the fly by wire drive that lifts the sidecar to make driving the rig so much easier: corrects the crown of the road; easy fender access and tire change; sets the driver horizontally when traversing right leaning slopes on Mountains trails; corrects driving effort when the Prairie winds come from the left side; neutralizes steering on the Interstate..pretty hands free driving.


I carried almost everything. Yes, I know..this contributed to the weigh..did the same when I went to Alaska, except sand wife now. Had every tool that I might need...I could have assisted those in need for just about everything, even a case of water; energy bars..come-along-tow grill..jack..the works..11.5 gallons of gasoline. Encounterd none that needed help...a few tire irons that did bail Ken out (3-15" curved tire irons)..the best of the lot..don't leave home without em'!

Carried cold weather clothings for the higer elevation. Rode ATGATT most of the time...except Oklahoma...back to ATGATT in the cold Mountain elevation.

The TAT.... Personal Notes, Rants.... and others Quotations that I have cited.

I am blessed to have the love and support of an amazing partner, my wife, love of my life..
Although my being away is sometimes hard for her, she gives me my freedom, and doesn't
begrudge my passion for adventuring. I ride guilt-free.
I don't think I was surprised at what I found. I knew what I was potentially in for, but again, Hack riders ability has something to do with it as for 2 wheeled riders….there are plenty of riders who can ride a big twin cylinder bike easily through places that give other riders fits on a 250cc machine.
I know that a 1200 GS/Hack rider would have rather been on a 400cc bike/Hack at certain times, but maybe not for the 3000 miles of returning home.
I really contemplated my options. When it came down to it though, I decided that I'm not doing this trail to prove anything...I'm pretty sure I can take on the Pass. I decided that the fun vs. risk didn't add up so I'm sorry to say....I ditched the Cinnamon Pass till next time!
I've always been oddly attracted to remote places. I guess it's the explorer in me; I want to go where few have been, and where few will ever go. I've also fancied myself to be a bit of an "Adventure rider" type....
My adventure has no doubt left me with great memories for life and stories I can tell my children and grandchildren. I can feel the trail left me wiser, more patient, and with a tiny bit more focus on the things that matter.
Bring your camera along and I know you are but some don’t and just give narratives; USE IT! So many people take trips and then say, "I was having too much fun riding to stop and take pictures." These are the same people who "Ooo" and "Ahhh" over other people’s pictures, lamenting that they wish that they had stopped more often. You’re on a Grand Adventure, seeing things that most people will never see in their lifetime and more importantly, doing it from the back of a motorcycle! Stop and smell the flowers and engrave those memories into long-lasting pictures to cherish for a lifetime. It’s also fun to show them off to envious friends and when you are writing your memoirs you’ll be glad you had the pictures to bring all those wonderful memories back to life. They are the stuff of life!
Once they reach Colorado, a whole new set of factors come into the definition. My personal favorite is stress. The stress of being so far away from the safety net of a familiar motorcycle dealer or repair shop, being possibly chased by irate landowners, even mosquitoes or the unknown of sleeping, eating and traveling far away from home. For each rider a personal stress level of his or her envelope for defining adventure is different. My stress meter glows orange when I see a motor home or car pulling a trailer. I know Mr. and Mrs. USA driving the metal elephant, is looking out and around for moose or bears, definitely not for me the smallish motorcycle…….”I didn’t see you”!
For some it is "scenic" if it is flat, unending views of landscape. Others, perhaps you too, only consider it scenic only if all the elements of color, topography, vegetation are mixed together. Or anything in between. The only way you will know if it is "scenic" is to go, have a look and then of course decide .


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Old 07-26-2012, 04:35 PM   #253
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Enjoyed the RR, come back with a smaller bike and take it all the way to Oregon!
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:48 AM   #254
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Really enjoyed your most entertaining ride report and thanks for taking the time to post it. I rode the TAT in '08 on a bike and find the sidehack gig pretty interesting, es verdad? May have to get me one of those things.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:10 PM   #255
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Just stumbled on this thread today. Don't know how I missed it since I've been laid up for a week with a summer flu and nothing to do but cruze ADV.

Anyway, your report once again confirms my desire to never go motorcycling east of the Mississippi. Though I'm thinking now of moving the demarcation line west to Denver.

Glad to see the rig didn't give you any problems. After reading Mighty Matt's troubles in S.A. with his BigBoi rig I was starting to fear that these big GS hacks are too delicate for long distance trips (apologies to MikePa, but we all can't be superhuman!)

Thanks for the trip report and the vids. Hope the trip home was enjoyable.

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