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Old 08-05-2012, 01:24 AM   #46
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DandyDoug? get the Burgman!
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:47 AM   #47
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Good morning.

Can't say that I've had that experience with my SWing, Tacoma. As with every motorcycle, including, I'm sure, the TMax, there are good parts and not so good parts. The SWing has been an excellent bike...very reliable, fairly easy to do routine maintenance on, good power, handles well, lots of cargo space, etc.

I don't think I said anywhere that the BV was better than the SWing-in fact, I made a point of noting that the SWing had done sterling service for me and that they were different bikes for different uses.

I also did not say that the Burgman 650 was a bad bike...in fact, I specifically stated that both Burgs had superior ergos to the SWing. I pointed out only that there was a body of information out there...submitted by the owners themselves...that the B650's transmission was sometimes not reliable and very expensive to repair.

I have not ridden a TMax, so I'll leave commentary on that machine to you...although I see you've made similar commentary regarding that machine on other threads. Nothing wrong with being loyal to your machine, but I generally base my views on my machines on my uses of them and I try to be pretty objective about it and back up what I'm saying with some factual information.

Appreciate the comments. Hope you've gained something useful out of this writeup...if not, I'll try to do better but remain true to the goal of being factual and objective...at least as much as possible...
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:24 AM   #48
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Gumshoe, you have done an excellent and objective job in your writeup here.

Tacoma on the other hand, is a complete troll. I would not pay any attention to anything he posts and responding to his posts is a complete waste of time.
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:40 AM   #49
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I'll second klaviator on how well gumshoe has written things up. I hae ridden the t-max and its ergos were not ones I cared for at all. The hump is far too high for one thing. I've been on motorcycles that had a lower clearance or at least easier to mount swing over than the t-max but to each their own. As for how much faith to put into an individual's posts check other threads they are involved with to make your own opinio of how much weight to give them.

Check mine and you will find that I'm biased in favor of the upright traditional scooter ergonomics and dislike for ME the maxiscoot foot forward position not just from test rides but from having owned a Burgman 400 for approx 18 months. That doesm't mean the Burgmans or other maxis are bad scoots. The biggest complaint I've heard about the Swing s that it is top heavy. I really prefer the weight low which to me wold give the advantage to a Burgman over the the Swing and t-max. There are pros to the burgman even to me such s their large storage capacity, how well the faring handles steady crosswinds of the 30-40 mph type and dealer availability. For some people they are the absolute best choice, just not for me. If I'm going to ride something that big or wanted to deal with the higher mounting requirments many of them like the t-max have I'd buy an Aorillia Mana, something I"m still considering off and on. :)

For large displacement scooter my order of preference is the Apriillia Scaraeo followed by the BV. While both share the same engine and seating position the erogonomics, primraily of the seat and suspension are a bit different. I prefer the Scarabeo version but I've taken 3,500+ rides on both and found nyself less fatigued and less butt soreness than a 1,200 mile trip on the Burgman. Granted on the BV it required an Airhawk which I did not have on the Burgman but no such aid was needed on the Scarabeo,
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Old 08-05-2012, 04:31 PM   #50
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Its fustrating where I get called names when I offer my opinion, I have ridden 10 times more bike models than most everybody else! The only scooters I did ride was the SW and the Burgman, I was the guy that bought a new bike every year cause I was too picky, never could find the right bike that pleased and excited me.
I strongly feel thru my years of experience that my opinion is right on the money. I consider myself the top 10% of the best riders out there, I can take a big Harley and ride it better than the guy that has ridden that same bike for 10 years.
I was guilty in the past of reading the opinions and reviews how wonderfull a bike or a scooter was and rushing out to buy that model then finding out they lied, that bike is a POS,,,,,,, thats why I bought the Tmax, at the time I purchaced it there were no reviews, nobody talking about it, I took a chance buying it and I believe I won!
so,,, I found out to ignore all the great and wonderfull things people say about the bike or scooter they own cause they don't want to look like a failure cause they own the worst one out there,, instead I read the bad things people say about their bikes and I respect that, I feel they are being honest.
The SW is old school design thats cheaply made with smaller tires that doesn't feel balanced and I can feel the cheap quality riding it at higher speeds,, The Burgman is better, but it has a delayed throttle responce and the engine makes strange noises like loose parts are rattling around inside the engine, thats my honest opionion!
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:56 PM   #51
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OK, thanks for your opinion and I have no doubt that you think you are a superlative rider. I make no such claim...just an ordinary guy expressing some thoughts about his bikes so other ordinary folks can join in. You don't need to convince me about your excellent qualities and abilities to judge...you're entitled to your opinion and you've expressed it, albeit in a somewhat confrontational way. My opinion differs from yours and you evidently don't care much about it. That's fine...I'm not asking you to accept what I think. You disagree, you've expressed that disagreement and you've presented your opinion. Thank you for your participation.

May we please now carry on with a congenial discussion and avoid flame wars? I think if we continue down this road, we will have effectively stopped the original purpose of this thread and I'd kind of like to keep it going and hear from other folks as well. Thanks...
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:15 PM   #52
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Its fustrating where I get called names when I offer my opinion, I have ridden 10 times more bike models than most everybody else! The only scooters I did ride was the SW and the Burgman, I was the guy that bought a new bike every year cause I was too picky, never could find the right bike that pleased and excited me.
I strongly feel thru my years of experience that my opinion is right on the money. I consider myself the top 10% of the best riders out there, I can take a big Harley and ride it better than the guy that has ridden that same bike for 10 years.
I was guilty in the past of reading the opinions and reviews how wonderfull a bike or a scooter was and rushing out to buy that model then finding out they lied, that bike is a POS,,,,,,, thats why I bought the Tmax, at the time I purchaced it there were no reviews, nobody talking about it, I took a chance buying it and I believe I won!
so,,, I found out to ignore all the great and wonderfull things people say about the bike or scooter they own cause they don't want to look like a failure cause they own the worst one out there,, instead I read the bad things people say about their bikes and I respect that, I feel they are being honest.
The SW is old school design thats cheaply made with smaller tires that doesn't feel balanced and I can feel the cheap quality riding it at higher speeds,, The Burgman is better, but it has a delayed throttle responce and the engine makes strange noises like loose parts are rattling around inside the engine, thats my honest opionion!
Tacoma;
Please be careful when you say things like you are in the top 10% of the riders out there.
I am sure you think you are and i will bet in your mind you are. The reality is, unless you have proven yourself on the race track ( the only place that how good you think you are really matters) you are probably not. I say this from some experience at the track as a rider and watching many so called hot shoes fall off their pedestal quickly when they come up against real talent. Not just boasting bravado.

Just because you chose to spend your money to buy the next hottest/fastest/slickest/quickest model only proves you have more disposable income than most of us. Good for you on that point , I wish i were in that position.

Let's all try and keep these discussions civil with some respect.
Thank you , Doug
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:55 PM   #53
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:47 AM   #55
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Point taken. Thank you.
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:05 PM   #56
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Just put the Givi windscreen on the BV...really looks good. Need to ride some more to put more miles on the bike and to see how well the windscreen works, but it's been really hot here lately...104 degrees F today...and I'm tied up tomorrow...so maybe next week it'll cool down a bit...



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Old 08-09-2012, 03:09 PM   #57
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Wow !!
That looks sharp.

Please pardon an old mans ignorance , what's a BV again ??
I like the looks of that a lot
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:18 PM   #58
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Wow !!
That looks sharp.

Please pardon an old mans ignorance , what's a BV again ??
I like the looks of that a lot
That is a Piaggio BV500. Piaggio is one of the biggest makers of two wheels in the world. They are the manufacturers of Piaggio, Vespa, Moto Guzzi, Aprila, etc. I have a 200cc version of this bike. Just turned 21,000 miles the other day. Great scooters.

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Old 08-09-2012, 03:20 PM   #59
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Its fustrating where I get called names when I offer my opinion, I have ridden 10 times more bike models than most everybody else! The only scooters I did ride was the SW and the Burgman, I was the guy that bought a new bike every year cause I was too picky, never could find the right bike that pleased and excited me.
I strongly feel thru my years of experience that my opinion is right on the money. I consider myself the top 10% of the best riders out there, I can take a big Harley and ride it better than the guy that has ridden that same bike for 10 years.
I was guilty in the past of reading the opinions and reviews how wonderfull a bike or a scooter was and rushing out to buy that model then finding out they lied, that bike is a POS,,,,,,, thats why I bought the Tmax, at the time I purchaced it there were no reviews, nobody talking about it, I took a chance buying it and I believe I won!
so,,, I found out to ignore all the great and wonderfull things people say about the bike or scooter they own cause they don't want to look like a failure cause they own the worst one out there,, instead I read the bad things people say about their bikes and I respect that, I feel they are being honest.
The SW is old school design thats cheaply made with smaller tires that doesn't feel balanced and I can feel the cheap quality riding it at higher speeds,, The Burgman is better, but it has a delayed throttle responce and the engine makes strange noises like loose parts are rattling around inside the engine, thats my honest opionion!
My suggestion, start your own thread about how good of a rider you are.
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:14 PM   #60
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Thank you....it is a very sharp looking machine and I think the Givi windshield does not detract from it. Once I get the bike out on the road again, I'll let you know how the windshield performs...
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