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Old 08-03-2012, 09:22 AM   #226
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575 lb Honda cruiser, supposedly 68 hp and 102 Nm (I find that hard to believe). Is it enough? Yeah, but not comfortably. Here's the deal: buy a cruiser, bigger = better. Can't afford a chromed out HD Glide like every other biker on the road? Get any other style of bike.

In other news I know of a mint Honda for sale...
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:25 AM   #227
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My DR650 has enough power to keep me happy. My TW200 could use a few more ponies .
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:09 AM   #228
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Last time on the Dyno, my ZX11 gave us 181 RWHP.
Fun, but about as useful as having a 20" cock!
Anybody want to buy it?
The bike that is. If someone out there is desirous of a 20" schlanger, you'll need to contact someone other than me.

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Old 08-04-2012, 11:12 AM   #229
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I have ridden a CBR 600, and I have ridden a CBR 929, my son inlaw owned one of each. Yes, they make a lot of horsepower quick. But as many have said, you got to ring the snot out of them to get it (929 not so much, it pulls pretty hard coming thru the gears).

That power is fine on a sport bike, sucks on tourers or cruisers. The argument is not that rpm produces horsepower, it does, the argument is that many dont give a shit as long as the bike meets their level of expectations. Without torque there is no horsepower.

Look at the trucks moving down our highways, some of those trucks moving 60,000 lbs down the highway do it with as little as 160 hp, do you think a couple of CBR 600 motors would do it as well?



And for the record, you should sit on a bike like blk betty posted, sitting still, put it in second gear and drop the hammer. The effect of torque will become blindingly clear. I've done both, both are fun. It depends on what a person wants. Blk bettys bike could get by fine with 3 gears, not so of a CBR600

A CBR would be just fine with 3 gears, more so than a bike with a shorter rpm range. 1st thru 3rd on a CBR would give access to all the power, near zero shifting on canyon/mountain roads(2nd gear all day 45-100mph), 3rd gear mid-rpm-range 100mph hwy cruising. Top gears on race reps are meant for 150+ on a track, doesn`t mean they don't make a fine touring bike. In my real world, i shift much more often on my big twin then on my 600 due to bumping the limiter every 30mph, but then i don't ride in 6th gear at 55 mph... nor do i feel compelled to shift at 5k because that's how i do it on my other bike...

Riding around the suburbs in 5th gear on your son in-laws 929 would annoy anyone. The real issue is your inability to adjust technique. Try covering the tach and using lower gears than you understand to be normal, CBR is perfectly composed at 8k (no diff than 2k on your bike), wringing the snot out of it? LOL... but, you won't because that's not the point of your arguments... the bike needs to fit your limited world view. Plenty of folks tour on 500cc maxi-scooters, we are fortunate to have so many choices, justifying yours is not really the point. Don't see anyone attempting to invalidate your preference, only you suggesting that your preference is more 'right' than anyone else's coupled with a limited skill set.

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Old 08-04-2012, 01:03 PM   #230
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A CBR would be just fine with 3 gears, more so than a bike with a shorter rpm range. 1st thru 3rd on a CBR would give access to all the power, near zero shifting on canyon/mountain roads(2nd gear all day 45-100mph), 3rd gear mid-rpm-range 100mph hwy cruising. Top gears on race reps are meant for 150+ on a track, doesn`t mean they don't make a fine touring bike. In my real world, i shift much more often on my big twin then on my 600 due to bumping the limiter every 30mph, but then i don't ride in 6th gear at 55 mph... nor do i feel compelled to shift at 5k because that's how i do it on my other bike...
The idiotic extrapolation of that argument is that if you never want to go over 100 (who needs to do that on a regular basis) a ZX14 would be fine with only ONE gear.
I have come across more than a few 600 sportbike owners who NEVER use the upper 1/2 of the rpm range. They are missing out on the 60% of HP they are not capable of using anyway - So what! That doesn't change why the designers gave their bikes six gears in the first place.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:46 PM   #231
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I have a zx14, and I hardly ever use more than 5000 rpm. I just dont care for the motor screaming away beneath me.


Yes, it has a fuck-ton f power, more than I need. That much power makes it hard to ride smoothly through the twistys. On a recent ride through the Dragon and other just as fun roads in the area I found it hard to go from coast to throttle without lurching the bike forward. I was always afraid of losing traction on the rear tire.
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:01 AM   #232
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If you look at the acceleration diagramme of a modern 1000ccm sportsbike you really don't need 4th & 5th gear. 6th is for high speed or an overdrive to save fuel but 4th&5th have only very little more acceleration capabilities over ~140mph where you can't use 3rd anymore - but two more gears bring mass that reduces the over all acceleration.

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If you have problems with the transition from rolling to throttle, try - as weird as it sounds - a lower gear, so that you allways need to open the throttle a little bit to overcome the inner friction of the engine. In general the probem is not the total available traction but not being smooth enough. Of course that will lower your mileage and the ZX14 is a beast no matter what, but in my experience a very sophisticated one (at least its engine characteristics, not it's build quality).
Or try to tap the rear brake very lightly when cornering, same effect but added brake pad wear.
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:39 AM   #233
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2001 Speed Triple. Maybe 110 HP, and 470 full of fuel. More than enough to get in trouble. A great street motor.
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:30 AM   #234
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'04 Tuono. 430 wet and 117 HP/69LB-FT. I give up 50HP to other liter bikes but I tend to ride roads where 70MPH is kinda scary so it's no biggie.
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:53 PM   #235
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2009 TU 250, 320 pounds, just under 20 hp?, just enough.
You can ride around and do whatever you like and not get in much trouble, plus, no worries about losing traction or critical throttle control.

Kind of fun riding balls to the wall all the time.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:41 AM   #236
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Claimed dry weight 485 lbs. Claimed stock power 98Hp, I have dyna jet tuned carbs a K&N air filter and Vance & Hines exhaust, with 1 tooth bigger sprocket on the front and 3 teeth smaller on the rear it wheelies violently in first gear, and anytime you are around 6,000 RPM and hit a bump while on the throttle. (I weigh 260 lbs, can't imagine a lighter rider). Cruises at 75-80 like it's still asleep.

Never had it on a dyno, but as I get older (wiser?) it's WAY too much power to be reasonable, but then I'm not really a reasonable person, I put FMF exhaust on my KX500 because it wasn't ballsy enough!!
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:19 PM   #237
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I couldn't sell my YZ450F, those things just have no resale value. I wasn't going to give it away, either. So I get an offer, my bike plus $1000 for a 2002, GSXR1000 Superbike. Superbike? Actual racebike. Full Yoshimura, 14:1 compression R type cams, total race engine, Ohlins, Marchesine Magnesiums, all the good stuff, but it was an old race bike. Extra frames, bodywork, subframes, just all kinds of stuff. 185 hp at the wheel, 375 lbs.

So I did it. New slicks, too. So I go down the road past my house, maybe coming past 100 in third gear and punch it, when it hit 6000rpm, it lit the tire up, then wheelied, at over 100 mph. Fastest thing I've ever ridden, before or since. And it was mine. So I parted it out and made some money. I've still got a set of 16.5 Marchesini Mags if anyone has a Suzook they need them for, cheap.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:56 AM   #238
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2012 KTM 690R Enduro; 66hp; 310lbs = The fastest production thumper on the planet. How fast? Just as quick as my KTM 950 twin up to about 90mph. It will power wheely the first 4 gears.

It's really too much for me so I have the ECU set to the soft map. I also have a Yam wr250r enduro. 28hp and 298 lbs. Very friendly power once you get used to revving it. Probably another 10hp would make it perfect.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:01 PM   #239
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KTM 625 SMC. It's bone stock and still corked up, supposedly its around 34 horsepower, and about 320 pounds. Coming from a cb650, cb350F, and then a CB200, It flat moves with my skinny ass on it.

Uncorked they're supposed to be 52. Once i get used to the bike as it is now, I'll open it up.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:51 PM   #240
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2008 1125R with ECU, air filter, exhaust. 370lbs, 135rwhp. It is dog slow.
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