Ural

mike cummins · 08-14-2012, 10:58 PM

guys whats the diference between a retro and a normal ural apart from suspension, tank, low sidecar etc? im looking at getting one . I currentley ride a hp2e and im keeping it, just have always wanted a ural. thanks mike

UralNorm · 08-15-2012, 12:21 AM

Retros have smaller 18 inch wheels, a higher final drive ratio (3.9 compared with 4.6), a different frame and no leading link front wheel suspension. Engine, drive train and brakes are the same.
If you haven't done so already have a look at Soviet Steeds and Russian Iron forums. Lots of info and help on both

mike cummins · 08-15-2012, 12:44 AM

thanks ural norm will do

Wolfgang55 · 08-15-2012, 05:22 AM

Generally speaking the Retro will earn a bit more MPG & your upper hyway speed can be higher as the rpm are lower.

Have been told by an owner that the over all ride is smoother.

Keep in mind the Retro only comes in 1wd but still has the reverse.

I found the seat to handle bar position is different, but nothing that would drive me away from either.

Kristof Granit · 08-15-2012, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang55

Generally speaking the Retro will earn a bit more MPG & your upper hyway speed can be higher as the rpm are lower.

Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang55

Have been told by an owner that the over all ride is smoother.

Yes - Even a little bit too smooth (forks) for me on some bad roads

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang55

Keep in mind the Retro only comes in 1wd but still has the reverse.

Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang55

I found the seat to handle bar position is different, but nothing that would drive me away from either.

For long rides I am more "confortable" on the Gear Up.

Very shortly:
You are "1.80m" you want to drive "off road": Tourist, patrol or Gear Up

You want a nice looking hack for "sundays" rides, on "normal" roads: Retro

mike cummins · 08-15-2012, 05:53 PM

thanks wolf and kristoff, thats a bit of a bummer cause australia is except for the coast , one big off road track, i always buy what i like the look of and try and make it work, well i better think somemore.

UralNorm · 08-15-2012, 08:06 PM

Mike, except for the higher gearing the Retros work well in Oz. Last October, Jon Taylor, our local importer, took one on a 2 day adventure ride from Kentucky (near Uralla) to Inverell and return. All up we had 16 Urals, and the Retro was the first and only one in the country. Not 4 wheel drive country, but many dirt roads that have been used in past Wynn's around Aust rallies.
Check the Sydney dealer, they list a Retro on BikeSales, so they should have one for you to drool on. Good luck.
I've taken my Tourist up the Oodnadatta Track, to Lake Eyre, through the Snowy mtns, all over Tassie, Uluru & Alice Springs, 6 Adelaide - East Coast trips and a couple of Ural Oz Adventure rides. A Retro could have easily done all of these trips, the higher gearing would be a plus on interstate bitumen travel.

mike cummins · 08-15-2012, 08:27 PM

yeah Norm, i reckon my hp2e does me for the off road but if the retro can handle dirt roads like the oodnadatta then it should suffice. I saw the one you mentioned and hope to get to kentucky (au) to test ride one in the next few weeks.

UralNorm · 08-15-2012, 08:37 PM

Way to go Mike, a group of over 20 outfits will be assembling at Ural Kentucky HQ on Monday 24 Sept. A 3 day adventure ride to the Nth coast and back to Kentucky. Jon and his helpers are great people to deal with. You won't be disappointed.

mike cummins · 08-24-2012, 08:01 PM

thanks norm, will get up there in next week or so.

UralNorm · 08-25-2012, 12:00 AM

Mike, check out Jon's web page. He is bringing in 2 white with black pin striping Retros. Pic on his home page, looks fantastic.

mike cummins · 08-28-2012, 10:25 PM

yep thanks norm, i kinda like the olive green colour as i always liked the m70 version. From what i can see, the retro will make it most places i need to go and seems to be quicker and look better. When i ride the hp2 i get off road but most of the klms have been dirt road and i suspect a ural will be no diferent. I see sand a bit of a prob but cant see me going off road that far that the sand will be that deap. Im 51 and feel 41 so i suspect if the track is that wild i would be taking the hp2e anyway.

UralNorm · 09-26-2012, 12:45 PM

Mike, we are on a 3 day Adventure Ride with 21 Urals, including 2 Retros. Lots of 4wd tracks yesterday with sand. The Retros were as capable as the Tourists.
I was wrong about the Retro fd ratios. In Oz they are the same as the Tourists, 4.62. Only 3 are in stock and next shipment to Oz will be January.

JustKip · 09-26-2012, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UralNorm

I was wrong about the Retro fd ratios. In Oz they are the same as the Tourists, 4.62. Only 3 are in stock and next shipment to Oz will be January.

FD ratios are the same for all but the Solo, but the 3.89 gearset can be installed in any FD. It's NOT advised!

I started a thread at Soviet Steeds asking about it
http://sovietsteeds.com/forums/viewt...p?f=12&t=24247

mike cummins · 09-26-2012, 07:51 PM

Thanks Norm, love to see so vid or pics of the trip

08-14-2012, 10:58 PM	#1
mike cummins ^OP OUTBACK RIDER Joined: Apr 2006 Location: manly,sydney,australia Oddometer: 590	Ural guys whats the diference between a retro and a normal ural apart from suspension, tank, low sidecar etc? im looking at getting one . I currentley ride a hp2e and im keeping it, just have always wanted a ural. thanks mike

08-15-2012, 12:21 AM	#2
UralNorm Adventurer Joined: Jul 2010 Location: Adelaide Oddometer: 19	Retros have smaller 18 inch wheels, a higher final drive ratio (3.9 compared with 4.6), a different frame and no leading link front wheel suspension. Engine, drive train and brakes are the same. If you haven't done so already have a look at Soviet Steeds and Russian Iron forums. Lots of info and help on both UralNorm screwed with this post 08-15-2012 at 12:47 AM

08-15-2012, 12:44 AM	#3
mike cummins ^OP OUTBACK RIDER Joined: Apr 2006 Location: manly,sydney,australia Oddometer: 590	ural thanks ural norm will do

08-15-2012, 05:53 PM	#6
mike cummins ^OP OUTBACK RIDER Joined: Apr 2006 Location: manly,sydney,australia Oddometer: 590	ural thanks wolf and kristoff, thats a bit of a bummer cause australia is except for the coast , one big off road track, i always buy what i like the look of and try and make it work, well i better think somemore.

08-15-2012, 08:06 PM	#7
UralNorm Adventurer Joined: Jul 2010 Location: Adelaide Oddometer: 19	Mike, except for the higher gearing the Retros work well in Oz. Last October, Jon Taylor, our local importer, took one on a 2 day adventure ride from Kentucky (near Uralla) to Inverell and return. All up we had 16 Urals, and the Retro was the first and only one in the country. Not 4 wheel drive country, but many dirt roads that have been used in past Wynn's around Aust rallies. Check the Sydney dealer, they list a Retro on BikeSales, so they should have one for you to drool on. Good luck. I've taken my Tourist up the Oodnadatta Track, to Lake Eyre, through the Snowy mtns, all over Tassie, Uluru & Alice Springs, 6 Adelaide - East Coast trips and a couple of Ural Oz Adventure rides. A Retro could have easily done all of these trips, the higher gearing would be a plus on interstate bitumen travel. UralNorm screwed with this post 08-15-2012 at 08:17 PM

08-15-2012, 05:22 AM	#4
Wolfgang55 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Next to Rio Bravo Oddometer: 2,962	Generally speaking the Retro will earn a bit more MPG & your upper hyway speed can be higher as the rpm are lower. Have been told by an owner that the over all ride is smoother. Keep in mind the Retro only comes in 1wd but still has the reverse. I found the seat to handle bar position is different, but nothing that would drive me away from either.

08-15-2012, 08:27 PM	#8
mike cummins ^OP OUTBACK RIDER Joined: Apr 2006 Location: manly,sydney,australia Oddometer: 590	norm yeah Norm, i reckon my hp2e does me for the off road but if the retro can handle dirt roads like the oodnadatta then it should suffice. I saw the one you mentioned and hope to get to kentucky (au) to test ride one in the next few weeks.

08-15-2012, 08:37 PM	#9
UralNorm Adventurer Joined: Jul 2010 Location: Adelaide Oddometer: 19	Way to go Mike, a group of over 20 outfits will be assembling at Ural Kentucky HQ on Monday 24 Sept. A 3 day adventure ride to the Nth coast and back to Kentucky. Jon and his helpers are great people to deal with. You won't be disappointed.

08-24-2012, 08:01 PM	#10
mike cummins ^OP OUTBACK RIDER Joined: Apr 2006 Location: manly,sydney,australia Oddometer: 590	ural thanks norm, will get up there in next week or so.

08-25-2012, 12:00 AM	#11
UralNorm Adventurer Joined: Jul 2010 Location: Adelaide Oddometer: 19	Mike, check out Jon's web page. He is bringing in 2 white with black pin striping Retros. Pic on his home page, looks fantastic.

08-28-2012, 10:25 PM	#12
mike cummins ^OP OUTBACK RIDER Joined: Apr 2006 Location: manly,sydney,australia Oddometer: 590	norm yep thanks norm, i kinda like the olive green colour as i always liked the m70 version. From what i can see, the retro will make it most places i need to go and seems to be quicker and look better. When i ride the hp2 i get off road but most of the klms have been dirt road and i suspect a ural will be no diferent. I see sand a bit of a prob but cant see me going off road that far that the sand will be that deap. Im 51 and feel 41 so i suspect if the track is that wild i would be taking the hp2e anyway.

09-26-2012, 12:45 PM	#13
UralNorm Adventurer Joined: Jul 2010 Location: Adelaide Oddometer: 19	Mike, we are on a 3 day Adventure Ride with 21 Urals, including 2 Retros. Lots of 4wd tracks yesterday with sand. The Retros were as capable as the Tourists. I was wrong about the Retro fd ratios. In Oz they are the same as the Tourists, 4.62. Only 3 are in stock and next shipment to Oz will be January.

09-26-2012, 07:51 PM	#15
mike cummins ^OP OUTBACK RIDER Joined: Apr 2006 Location: manly,sydney,australia Oddometer: 590	ural Thanks Norm, love to see so vid or pics of the trip

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