Adventure in Ohio? - Page 3458

steveb126 · 08-23-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by r-3350

I would second what bikerider mark said. Check to see that the bead has come out on the rim all the way. Most tires have a line on the outside of the tire that should be equal distance from the outside part of the rim if the tire is seated correctly. Carl

That'd be my guess also. I've experienced this, it doesn't take much to throw it off and give exactly the feel your describing.

MeefZah · 08-23-2012, 08:11 PM

A'ight, thanks all. I will take good look at the tire bead when I get home, I can certainly inflate the hell out of it and pop it in if that's all it is. Didn't really even consider that.

It's not "more agressive tread" as these are the same brand / model of tires I always run, I'm used to them. But thanks.

Danjal · 08-23-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MeefZah

A'ight, thanks all. I will take good look at the tire bead when I get home, I can certainly inflate the hell out of it and pop it in if that's all it is. Didn't really even consider that.

It's not "more agressive tread" as these are the same brand / model of tires I always run, I'm used to them. But thanks.

Np, just curious, why didn't you have them balanced?

MeefZah · 08-23-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danjal

Np, just curious, why didn't you have them balanced?

I never do. I ride a lot, but I guess I'm not a connosieur. I don't know how much different a big ol' trailee would feel on quasi knobs if the tire is or is not balanced.

I don't really want to be a nuisance to my mechanic, either, I like him and he does the work for very little money, so I hate to take up more of his time by having him balance the tires.

Gonzo_Matt · 08-23-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danjal

Np, just curious, why didn't you have them balanced?

Balancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless. Most tires go out of balance within 500 miles or hitting the first pothole.

Danjal · 08-24-2012, 12:27 AM

An adv bike yes,even knobbies too. That i understand. He said strom, so im picturing 80/20 tires at best. All valid points, I was just wondering why is all. Once I hit about a 60/40 I wont bother with balance unless its pretty noticeable.

MeefZah · 08-24-2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danjal

An adv bike yes,even knobbies too. That i understand. He said strom, so im picturing 80/20 tires at best. All valid points, I was just wondering why is all. Once I hit about a 60/40 I wont bother with balance unless its pretty noticeable.

Shinko 705 which I guess is a 80/20 tire.

Checked the chain, rear wheel alignment. Straight / true. Checked the steering bearings in the Swingset manner, no looseness.

I examined the tire, it appears to be seated on the bead.

To be on the safe side, I rode to the gas station with a ball bat, tire gauge, and bottle of windex. "Drained" all the air from the back tire, waled on it with the ball bat, lubed the area of the bead, waled some more, hyperinflated the tire to 70+ PSI without seeing or hearing the bead popping, waled some more, dropped pressure to 41 PSI Rode home. Same as it was.

I noticed the only difference between my bike and Meredith's is the rubber dust cover over the wheel bearings on the disk side of the rear wheel on mine is slightly dimpled, like the rubber is a little crushed; and on hers it is nice and flat. That's it; all other spacers are exactly the same between the two bikes.

I'm not terribly worried, just curious. I'm gonna keep riding, I guess one of three things will happen - it will get better, it will get worse, or it will stay the same. Even if it gets worse I can't see a catastrophic failure since everything checks okay.

Thanks for the advice.

vivid dadas · 08-24-2012, 03:58 AM

[QUOTEBalancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless. Most tires go out of balance within 500 miles or hitting the first pothole. __________________][/QUOTE]

I'm not arguing or disagreeing, because I don't even understand this stuff at a distance, but I am curious; why should this be true? How does hitting a pothole "unbalance" a tire?

You balance a tire/wheel because all sections or segments of the tire/wheel don't weigh the same. You add weight to one section to attempt to "balance" these inequalities. I understand that tires wear unevenly and this weight distribution changes over time, but don't understand how hitting a pothole would change a tire/wheel weight distribution.

jimjim · 08-24-2012, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MeefZah

Anyone want to take a stab at it?

Any thoughts? It's just obvious enough to make me think it's a problem but I'm not sure where to look next.

Did you check the swing arm bearings for excessive play?

Gonzo_Matt · 08-24-2012, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by vivid dadas

[QUOTEBalancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless. Most tires go out of balance within 500 miles or hitting the first pothole. __________________]

I'm not arguing or disagreeing, because I don't even understand this stuff at a distance, but I am curious; why should this be true? How does hitting a pothole "unbalance" a tire?

You balance a tire/wheel because all sections or segments of the tire/wheel don't weigh the same. You add weight to one section to attempt to "balance" these inequalities. I understand that tires wear unevenly and this weight distribution changes over time, but don't understand how hitting a pothole would change a tire/wheel weight distribution.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a tire engineer, but I can tell you that even on a car tire, it can be balanced to zero, driven into a curb, or driven a couple hundred miles, and be way out again. I have seen it time and time again.

rxcrider · 08-24-2012, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MeefZah

I don't really want to be a nuisance to my mechanic, either, I like him and he does the work for very little money, so I hate to take up more of his time by having him balance the tires.

Out of curiosity, how much is he charging to mount tires? (bringing him the wheel off the bike) I have two guys in this area who have done my BMW tire swaps for me: $20 & $25 with balancing. I'm assuming the strom is tubeless.

Does the bike have a center stand? If so, I'd put on the stand and put it in gear with the engine running (after making sure the rear wheel is off the ground) Then look for runout or a bulge in the tread or sidewall.

buildit · 08-24-2012, 06:49 AM

You know I'm wondering if the front rim might be bent. I bent mine before screwing around. Strom rims aren't exactly made for what the bike can do.

z@ch · 08-24-2012, 07:53 AM

I'm guessing the spacer from between the cush drive and the wheel was left out.

Or it's a bad tire.

Mikef5000 · 08-24-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo_Matt

Balancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless.

Interesting! I stopped balancing street bike tires years ago, but I did balance my new adv tires. I figure, with that much rubber (semi-knobby, 50/50 tire) the chance of it being noticeably out of balance were greater.

ImaPoser · 08-24-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by indypup

I'm missing Colorado right now...

That is the worst chip seal job I have ever seen.

08-23-2012, 08:11 PM	#51857
MeefZah Curmudgeonly Joined: Nov 2003 Location: New Philadelphia, OH Oddometer: 8,810	A'ight, thanks all. I will take good look at the tire bead when I get home, I can certainly inflate the hell out of it and pop it in if that's all it is. Didn't really even consider that. It's not "more agressive tread" as these are the same brand / model of tires I always run, I'm used to them. But thanks. __________________ Go forth, wander aimlessly, explore, have adventures and shit...

08-24-2012, 03:58 AM	#51863
vivid dadas Studly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2009 Location: Thumbolia Oddometer: 812	[QUOTEBalancing the tires on an adventure bike is pretty much pointless. Most tires go out of balance within 500 miles or hitting the first pothole. __________________][/QUOTE] I'm not arguing or disagreeing, because I don't even understand this stuff at a distance, but I am curious; why should this be true? How does hitting a pothole "unbalance" a tire? You balance a tire/wheel because all sections or segments of the tire/wheel don't weigh the same. You add weight to one section to attempt to "balance" these inequalities. I understand that tires wear unevenly and this weight distribution changes over time, but don't understand how hitting a pothole would change a tire/wheel weight distribution. __________________ "I went to the Town of Cats and came back on the train."

08-24-2012, 06:49 AM	#51867
buildit Pumpkin Rider Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Near London, OH "sort of" Oddometer: 13,203	You know I'm wondering if the front rim might be bent. I bent mine before screwing around. Strom rims aren't exactly made for what the bike can do. __________________ Don't trust links? Google ADVFilmer for videos. http://www.youtube.com/user/advfilmer

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08-24-2012, 12:27 AM	#51861
Danjal Insert wit here. Joined: Oct 2011 Location: Location,Location Oddometer: 1,199	An adv bike yes,even knobbies too. That i understand. He said strom, so im picturing 80/20 tires at best. All valid points, I was just wondering why is all. Once I hit about a 60/40 I wont bother with balance unless its pretty noticeable.

08-24-2012, 07:53 AM	#51868
z@ch Turn it up to eleven Joined: Apr 2008 Location: Tejas Norte Oddometer: 4,509	I'm guessing the spacer from between the cush drive and the wheel was left out. Or it's a bad tire.