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Old 08-29-2012, 06:35 AM   #5461
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This thread needs more pics.



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Old 08-29-2012, 10:48 PM   #5462
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That is a great shot of the 407. My 2nd fave machine.

I think the 407 and the B3 are the two most fun and most powerful single engine light category helicopters around. The B3 is better all round IMHO because it has a better cabin (for passengers) and no stupid broom cupboard and 2 separate compartments.

It'd be great if someone came up with an STC to remove that broom cupboard!
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:42 PM   #5463
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That would be some STC! The push/pull tubes for the MR and tail rotor control are housed in the "closet".
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:57 PM   #5464
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That would be some STC! The push/pull tubes for the MR and tail rotor control are housed in the "closet".
You're right, of course. It'd be very hard. I was thinking along the lines of a 'fly by wire' control unit that gathers up info from the cyclic, collective, pedals then passes it via an optic fibre onto another box on the roof that moves the actuators, then to the tail to control the TR pitch links.

Bell just keeps making machines that looks like their old Jet Rangers then wonder why EC, Agusta, Robinsons all steal their market share.
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:07 AM   #5465
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Some more pictures of the 2007 Fairford Airshow

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Old 08-30-2012, 08:10 AM   #5466
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:40 PM   #5467
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Old 08-30-2012, 08:26 PM   #5468
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Old 08-31-2012, 03:40 AM   #5469
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Bell just keeps making machines that looks like their old Jet Rangers then wonder why EC, Agusta, Robinsons all steal their market share.

All are built under the same type certificate up to the 427.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:55 AM   #5471
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Can I "break a leg" on a hike and you can go get me for a joy ride?
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:58 AM   #5472
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Bell just keeps making machines that looks like their old Jet Rangers then wonder why EC, Agusta, Robinsons all steal their market share.
I don't think "looks" have that much bearing on Bell's bottom line. And I seriously doubt Robinson has made much of an impact on Bell's market share
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:23 PM   #5473
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Can I "break a leg" on a hike and you can go get me for a joy ride?
I can do anything I want on my last day at work. Unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:14 PM   #5474
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All are built under the same type certificate up to the 427.
Therein lies the problem. The LR looks like the JR. The 407 looks like the LR. The 427 looks like a 407 on steroids. All share the same terrible setup of 2 compartments, poor visibility (to the front) for the back compartment seats, no crashworthy seats, no leg room (for the LR and 407) and skinny seats. Bell gave the scenic flight niche to EC, R44/66, IMHO.

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I don't think "looks" have that much bearing on Bell's bottom line. And I seriously doubt Robinson has made much of an impact on Bell's market share
I agree. The Bells look great. Sitting inside is the difference. EC has more modern layout, all facing forward, one compartment, etc. I beg to differ on the Robinson comment. R66 was designed solely to win against the 206B. I know of at least 8 operators who have replaced their JR's either for tourist flights or corporate work with R44's/R66's.

BTW I think Robinsons are ugly beasts. Don't want this to be a 'pick on Bell' discussion - I like both brands ; it's just that Bell had the whole market to themselves at one stage and they squandered it all.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:51 PM   #5475
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