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Old 09-08-2012, 11:11 AM   #2701
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60's, volt meter, flashlight!

Order placed! Can't wait to get these 60's mounted up, and to test out the flashlight! They'll be WABDR tested the last week of the month. Pics will ensue.

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Old 09-08-2012, 12:03 PM   #2702
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Some pics of the model 60's

Finally got a chance to get some pics of the model 60's on my '00 1150GS. Back wall of the garage is approximately 55 feet away. These pics are a very accurate representation (to my eyes) of how the output of the model 60's really look. Everything shot in full manual mode using a Nikon D90 and a Tamron 18-50mm 2.8 lens. No editing of any kind aside from JPG conversion.
I don't see how you could beat the performance of these lights at anywhere near the price.

***The only disclaimer is that in these pics the projection angle of all the lights is slightly lower than they would be if I were sitting on the bike***.
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Pic 1 - Nothing but ambient lighting courtesy of City of Chicago



Pic 2 - 35W HID low-beam only



Pic 3 - 35W HID lowbeam and advmonster model 60's at 100% - SHAZAM!



Pic 4 - 35W HID lowbeam, 55W halogen highbeam, advmonster model 60's at 100%



Pic 5 - advmonster model 60's at 100%, no lowbeam or high beam


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Old 09-09-2012, 12:05 AM   #2703
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Front lens broke...

Hey Sanjoh - just had a small rock go through the front lens on a 40 . The glass broke into shards which is not the safest...

Replaced the lens with an old one from a 10 that I had lying around - what are the chances of future lights having a lexan or polycarbonate front lens? Don't think it would add too much to the cost...

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Old 09-09-2012, 03:24 PM   #2704
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Sanjoh, I got your lights in yesterday (Holy crap! FAST shipping. I ordered Thursday afternoon and they arrived at my door on Saturday with standard shipping selected!). I went to install them and realized automotive wiring is definitely not my thing. I want to wire them independent of any of the headlights so that I can flip them on and off regardless of whether the high or low beams are on or whether the keys are on, etc.

In my simplistic mind, it makes sense that I can just add an inline fuse and switch to the hot wire and just run the negative wire to the negative terminal of the battery. Here is a quick diagram of my proposed wiring plan:



Would I need a relay or a voltage regulator or anything? Is that diagram complete crap?

If anyone else has my answer, please feel free to jump in. This isn't just directed toward Sanjoh.
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:32 PM   #2705
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Sanjoh, I got your lights in yesterday (Holy crap! FAST shipping. I ordered Thursday afternoon and they arrived at my door on Saturday with standard shipping selected!). I went to install them and realized automotive wiring is definitely not my thing. I want to wire them independent of any of the headlights so that I can flip them on and off regardless of whether the high or low beams are on or whether the keys are on, etc.

In my simplistic mind, it makes sense that I can just add an inline fuse and switch to the hot wire and just run the negative wire to the negative terminal of the battery. Here is a quick diagram of my proposed wiring plan:

Would I need a relay or a voltage regulator or anything? Is that diagram complete crap?

If anyone else has my answer, please feel free to jump in. This isn't just directed toward Sanjoh.
You'd want the switch after the fuse, wouldn't you?
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:36 PM   #2706
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You'd want the switch after the fuse, wouldn't you?
Would you? I honestly have no idea. I never gave that even a second thought. It was arbitrary where I placed the fuse and switch in that diagram.
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Old 09-09-2012, 03:36 PM   #2707
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Pretty close...

Generally a fuse should protect the whole circuit from shorting to the frame, so close to the battery and before the switch is best. As long as your wire and switch are rated for the amps you don't need a relay. (eg, a 10 amp switch and #14 wire should be heavy and physically robust enough for this small of a load. You could probably go smaller but won't save much money.

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Sanjoh, I got your lights in yesterday (Holy crap! FAST shipping. I ordered Thursday afternoon and they arrived at my door on Saturday with standard shipping selected!). I went to install them and realized automotive wiring is definitely not my thing. I want to wire them independent of any of the headlights so that I can flip them on and off regardless of whether the high or low beams are on or whether the keys are on, etc.

In my simplistic mind, it makes sense that I can just add an inline fuse and switch to the hot wire and just run the negative wire to the negative terminal of the battery. Here is a quick diagram of my proposed wiring plan:



Would I need a relay or a voltage regulator or anything? Is that diagram complete crap?

If anyone else has my answer, please feel free to jump in. This isn't just directed toward Sanjoh.
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:01 PM   #2708
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Generally a fuse should protect the whole circuit from shorting to the frame, so close to the battery and before the switch is best. As long as your wire and switch are rated for the amps you don't need a relay. (eg, a 10 amp switch and #14 wire should be heavy and physically robust enough for this small of a load. You could probably go smaller but won't save much money.
Thanks. I'll make sure to put it between the switch and the battery than. The rest of the diagram looks okay though?

The switch I have is rated to 30amps. I have an inline mini-blade fuse holder rated to 30 amps. I figured I'd use a 5 or 10 amp fuse since the lights are only 0.85 amp each. I already have 18ga wire, so I guess I'd just use that since they can handle roughly 16amps. Plus the wires from the lights look to be about 20ga, so that should work out fine, I would think. What do you think?
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Old 09-09-2012, 07:05 PM   #2709
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Hey Sanjoh,

Will your rotary dimmer control the output of a 55 watt HID ballast? Or will the smoke come out of both......

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Old 09-09-2012, 08:43 PM   #2710
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Just got 'em mounted, wired, and properly aimed. Thanks for the wiring help guys.

Wow! What a difference they make! I'm definitely glad I went with the model 30s for extending my low beams out a bit. The tight pattern is just what I needed.
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:27 AM   #2711
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I think your work is just fine. I guess I assumed you were wiring a pair of 60s, which would pull more amps. Even so, the difference in voltage drop (the loss caused by the resistance of the wire)between 14 and 18 gauge is probably negligible and affects led lights less than halogens anyway...with 100 W halogens you can see the difference in the color and power of the beam if you go cheap on the size of the wire, and worse case you will melt it.

I personally prefer to stay at or larger than 14 for any additional auto wiring, but I have to admit it is mostly from old habits in dealing with larger loads and greater distances that tintops impose. There is something to be said for the thicker insulation that larger wire generally has, but if smaller wire is routed and secured the right way that becomes less of an issue.

An important point is that your wire needs to have enough current carrying capacity to blow the fuse you have installed. From your figures you have allowed for this. Many trailer homes are reduced to a pile of ash ( some would say this is an improvement) because they have very few outlet circuits, and fuses or breakers have been replaced with larger sizes to prevent nuisance tripping from a larger load than the wiring was designed to carry. In a well-designed circuit, the fuse will stop current flow before the colorful plastic falls off.

A fire on a bike is a scary thing. One of mine had flames coming from under the tank as I stood next to it at the gas station with the gas cap open and fuel filler hose in hand. It was an OEM starter solenoid that picked the least fortunate moment to melt down. No fuse between the battery and the solenoid meant that all the smoke got out and it quit working. Some cobbled together parts from NAPA got me going again and the only permanent damage was to my undershorts.

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Just got 'em mounted, wired, and properly aimed. Thanks for the wiring help guys.

Wow! What a difference they make! I'm definitely glad I went with the model 30s for extending my low beams out a bit. The tight pattern is just what I needed.
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Old 09-10-2012, 04:44 AM   #2712
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I think your work is just fine. I guess I assumed you were wiring a pair of 60s, which would pull more amps. Even so, the difference in voltage drop (the loss caused by the resistance of the wire)between 14 and 18 gauge is probably negligible and affects led lights less than halogens anyway...with 100 W halogens you can see the difference in the color and power of the beam if you go cheap on the size of the wire, and worse case you will melt it.

I personally prefer to stay at or larger than 14 for any additional auto wiring, but I have to admit it is mostly from old habits in dealing with larger loads and greater distances that tintops impose. There is something to be said for the thicker insulation that larger wire generally has, but if smaller wire is routed and secured the right way that becomes less of an issue.

An important point is that your wire needs to have enough current carrying capacity to blow the fuse you have installed. From your figures you have allowed for this. Many trailer homes are reduced to a pile of ash ( some would say this is an improvement) because they have very few outlet circuits, and fuses or breakers have been replaced with larger sizes to prevent nuisance tripping from a larger load than the wiring was designed to carry. In a well-designed circuit, the fuse will stop current flow before the colorful plastic falls off.

A fire on a bike is a scary thing. One of mine had flames coming from under the tank as I stood next to it at the gas station with the gas cap open and fuel filler hose in hand. It was an OEM starter solenoid that picked the least fortunate moment to melt down. No fuse between the battery and the solenoid meant that all the smoke got out and it quit working. Some cobbled together parts from NAPA got me going again and the only permanent damage was to my undershorts.
I should have specified the lights I was using. I had actually started another thread a few weeks ago asking about LED lighting options. Once I found this thread, I abandoned my other one to post here... But neglected to mention the lights I had decided on.

Yikes! That is definitely a bad time to have flames pop out from under your seat! I have a friend who had his Daytona 675 burn to the ground due to a shorted wire. Luckily his decided not to fail on him at the gas pump.

Thanks for all your help with this.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:25 AM   #2713
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Will your rotary dimmer control the output of a 55 watt HID ballast? Or will the smoke come out of both......

Cheers,

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I don't think HID ballasts are dimmable, they're either on or off.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:47 AM   #2714
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I don't think HID ballasts are dimmable, they're either on or off.
They are dimmable, but it has to be done internally. There is a resistor on one of the circuits that can be modified to do this.

Here is a commercially done adjustable ballast. http://retro-solutions.net/product-i...ST-pid674.html30-50 watt ballast

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Old 09-10-2012, 06:21 AM   #2715
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Thanks. I'll make sure to put it between the switch and the battery than. The rest of the diagram looks okay though?

The switch I have is rated to 30amps. I have an inline mini-blade fuse holder rated to 30 amps. I figured I'd use a 5 or 10 amp fuse since the lights are only 0.85 amp each. I already have 18ga wire, so I guess I'd just use that since they can handle roughly 16amps. Plus the wires from the lights look to be about 20ga, so that should work out fine, I would think. What do you think?
That should work.

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Hey Sanjoh,

Will your rotary dimmer control the output of a 55 watt HID ballast? Or will the smoke come out of both......

Cheers,

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No, but a pair of 60s will make you forget about the HID

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Just got 'em mounted, wired, and properly aimed. Thanks for the wiring help guys.

Wow! What a difference they make! I'm definitely glad I went with the model 30s for extending my low beams out a bit. The tight pattern is just what I needed.
Great to hear you are happy with the lights.

How about a pic of your install?
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