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Old 11-22-2008, 07:21 PM   #31
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Question Used 280 Pampera

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The Gas Gas Pampera is a sorta dual-sport using their 2st trials motor. Way fun. Get one now because they are changing to the 4st 450 motor shortly.
I have a friend that has a '06 Pampera 280 he purchased new. I have ridden some tight/steep trails with him and it kicked my DRZ 400 bad.
Now he wants to sell it and it will fit my wife. Wants $3500 with low hours. Think will pick up for my wife as she has touble starting her XT 350, she can touch better too.

I have read about the mushy trials suspension. at speed. Does anyone see why it cant be firmed up to be better at speed and not loose traction when going slow?

The other reason is it should be able to be licensed for the black top (in Idaho) and we need that in our mordern eco times, to keep the fuzz off our butts. traffic cops!

FS-'99 XT 350 1800 miles very clean $1499.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:51 PM   #32
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I have a TY350 for sale on denver cl (arvada). Its got a little seat on it. Nice and cheep. Send me a pm if interested
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Old 04-30-2010, 08:04 PM   #33
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Fantic Coach, Big seat, big tank, great engine with lots of torque, can be very very easily switched to regular trials seat and tank. If they have been kept up will run forever.

Or the new Tride thing. that is cool too, but $$$
Interesting read. I just picked this up. For what use I really don't know.




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Old 05-01-2010, 01:29 AM   #34
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Looks good

Hi, hope you have fun with the Fantic, looks in good condition - externally at least.

Now I've had the Scorpa best part of 18 months and really enjoy it. It's great for the 'green lanes' around here and doesn't frighten the natives. Fully road legal but the lighting is feeble.


The tank is just over a gallon which seems to give close to 100 miles. Certainly plenty for a short day's local riding. It is good when you're feeling tired and if you do try to ride it feet up it rewards you. Also if it starts to get out of shape it can be corrected with a slight weight change - sure you can do that on a big bike, but if you don't do it right you can't catch it. Likewise, if you do need to dab, a quick touch is all it needs, not a major piece of leg work. At idle it's very quiet but can make a bit more noise when opened up. Not really an ADVrider bike as no facility to tour.

BTW it's the Yamaha TTR125 engine so well known in the US and spares should be OK. Worst thing is no oil filter, just a sludge trap; but not a big deal to change 1litre of oil frequently.
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Old 05-02-2010, 07:49 PM   #35
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Had one of these in the 70's. Lots of fun, and you could weelee it all the way to work!
Nice bike...if you couldn't afford a Bultaco at the time.

Truth is, an Alpina went for about the same as a Cota back then. But, the Alpina had a bigger seat & a bigger tank than the Sherpa T. It also had the same steering radius, same gearing, & same frame.

In all, it was a trials bike built for the trails. Just what I want today.

I not only miss my Sherpa T 326, I also miss my Dads 326 Alpina. And my Dad.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:44 AM   #36
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Not really an ADVrider bike as no facility to tour.



Hi Adrian, i know it's a very old thread, but i'm getting interested in these bikes.... for short trips!!!
I know it's a weird choice, i know they're not designed to that stuff...
But i like too much exploring the deepness of mountains, and i'm already used to travel with little things on my back.
Do you think there's a way to tie a sleeping bag and a hammock on this bike?
On my bag i would just carry the spare parts/tools and few things for a week in the bushes.
Thanks
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:57 PM   #37
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Not much frame

Hi SUPer FunK,

I'm still around so no problem with age of thread.

I've thought about some sort of rack but there is no subframe at all. The rear mudguard is insubstantial plastic. In theory something could be triangulated between seat mounts and foot pegs...

I think the GasGas randdonee might have some frame behind the seat. The Alp200 might be best compromise.

You've made me start to think about welding something!

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Old 09-03-2012, 02:09 PM   #38
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Hi, Adrian! My mother tongue is Italian, so please forgive my bad english.
Anyway, at the moment the bike that fits my needs the most, is the new Borile Multiuso.
Umberto Borile is a well known italian artisan, his creations got famous among vintage collectors (he restore old triumphs) and to retro-looking/cafe-racers lovers...
http://www.borile.it/gb_chi.html
But, with this bike, he created something much different than the snob-ish and expensive handmade cafe-racers, and this "multiuso" seems to maintain what's written on the tin...
The word "multiuso" means multi utility, multi task... something like that.
It's a light bike with a small engine.. 85kg (circa) with a 230cc engine, the same that powers the honda crf 230 easy.
Fork yokes, hubs and other stuff are nice machined alluminium.. the alluminium frame works as a petrol tank (5,5 lt) and as a air box... nice.
You can choose from twin headlight and a more conventional single light, the seat is also the air box cover...
This beauty sells for..........................4700 euro!!!






Let's be clear: i don't work for Borile.
In fact, i'm looking to some alternatives to compare with this bike and make my choice.





This said, now you have a rough idea of my needs.
I rode the Alp 200, it's a nice and intelligent bike, but some parts are a bit cheap.. and the power is just what you need, but no extra for the fun factor.
The scorpa seems to me a much more interesting bike, less comfy and more specialistic than the alp 200.. but it can be found for cheap on the second hand market.
It would be interesting to find out if the little scorpa could be any good for 1or 2 weeks of explorations in the woods (your thoughts are appreciated). I had your same idea about a triangle between the pegs and the tail.. maybe a simple 15mm tube will do the trick of supporting my hammock/sleeping bag rig.

At the moment i'm riding a big ktm 640 adventure... but i'm pushing her into extreme trails, not the kind of stuff she was made for, and i got sick of falling off and risking high.
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:03 AM   #39
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That Multiuso is a cool little machine!
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:45 AM   #40
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Yes, very cool, but the tank must be tiny, I'm guessing it's the upper frame piece. Nice to see decent subframe and rear racks ex-works.

Is it really available or just 'vapour ware'?
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:22 PM   #41
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If you want a real modern trial with a seat (and extra gas) go with the Ossa Explorer. I have a 2012 Ossa TR280i and one of my friend have a Ossa Explorer. It's the same frame and same engine as my TR280 but with seat and extra gas tank. You can do everything a modern trial can do.

Check this video of the Ossa Explorer:
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Old 09-05-2012, 04:25 AM   #42
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The explorer is a stunning bike and a great concept!!!
But i'm afraid, 2-smokes are not the best choice when it comes to long-ish trips.
Also, it costs 1k euro more than the Borile Multiuso.

@ Adrian, the Multiuso is not a concept bike, it's ready to be bought and Borile has already sold a few.
At the moment he's struggling with the orders, because he wasn't expecting so much interest and also because of the last earthquakes in Italy, that caused a hard life to the parts productors.
It is not a "racing" bike, like it could be the Explorer, but has some very interesting solutions...
like this:





It's a twin shock, stolen from downhill mtb. Lighter than a single motorbike shock, evoluted enough (push bikes' components have a big research), cheaper in case you have to replace them.
The petrol tank is not small, it's 5,5 liters included the 1liter of reserve.. and added with the 30 to 38 km/liter i think it's enough.
There's also the option to have it with 17' and 19' wheels instead of 18' and 21'... but who cares???



Some more pics for you.





That's the exhaust... nicely hidden.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:24 PM   #43
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Hi Adrian, i know it's a very old thread, but i'm getting interested in these bikes.... for short trips!!!
I know it's a weird choice, i know they're not designed to that stuff...
But i like too much exploring the deepness of mountains, and i'm already used to travel with little things on my back.
Do you think there's a way to tie a sleeping bag and a hammock on this bike?
On my bag i would just carry the spare parts/tools and few things for a week in the bushes.
Thanks
We own one of these. They make terrible street bikes. They make terrible trail bikes. But they make excellent extreme single track bikes. I used ours to follow the upper class riders around their loop during our local events.

My biggest complaints are the reduced steering lock compared to real trials bikes (because of the "big" gas tank) and the sloppy, inconsistent cable-operated clutch. Fortunately, if you are in the right gear, they'll chug over just about anything.

And a definite +1 on the flimsy rear fender. I cut a bunch of excess plastic off the license bracket because the plate was getting chewed up by the rear tire on G-outs.
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