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Old 09-14-2012, 08:29 AM   #69136
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re: RegulatorRectifier

called RegulatorRectifier, regarding pending order. it was sent and received by my drop box in the u.s., so i guess they get a thumbs up from me. confusion arose from the fact that they do not provide tracking, so my mistake.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:27 AM   #69137
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:01 AM   #69138
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Not to start a heavy heated argument but I see a lot of people on here raving about the 800XC as a replacement for the DR650.

I say...NO WAY IN HELL is it even comparable. And it'll be a cold day that a street bike even comes close to competing with the DR.

Why???

Simply because it weighs more than 100lbs more, is shocked/strutted for street use, and gets horrible (low 40's) gas mileage before adding things like panniers.

I used to have an 800GS which is a hell of a better off-road adventure bike than the 800XC (better shocks, lighter weight, better gas mileage) and the 800GS was STILL about 100lbs too heavy without accessories.

So I challenge anyone who is touting the "XC" as a replacement for the DR to step up and give us some proof. Seriously. I just don't think the XC has any chance of being anything more than another street machine.

The DR is an OFF-ROAD machine and A STREET machine all in one. 80 mph on the highway then bombing the rocky single track and rutted trail with ease. What other bike can do that? That is all.


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Regarding all of the recent comments about the 800xc, let me give my opinion after having owned the 800 road version.

They are hot, especially on the right side---hotter than ANY new bike I have owned since 2007 ( which includes 2 Harleys, BMW 800, Bandit, FJR, Z1000). I found the 800 to be "a ride only under 80 degrees" bike. I kept my trusty DR through all of these bikes and found myself riding the DR far more than any of these other bikes.

The second problem was the throttle. It was "twichy". It was as if there was no throttle cable slack (had it at the dealer twice for this and they said this was "normal"). The throttle was either off or on resulting in a jerky ride. It was difficult to ride at a constant speed in any of the lower gears.

I recently sold the 800 because of these issues, and am now riding only the DR.
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I don't believe the 800GS BMW is all that much better than the XC off road. Neither come close to the DR.

Other than that I agree ... although everyone I know with F800's replaces the suspension first thing. Also ... they DO HAVE some issues ... unlike the little Tiger, which has been relatively bullet proof.

The point you missed was what happens on either of those bikes even with a minor tip over. EXPENSIVE!! The DR crashes very well ... with bark busters and case covers ... its nearly indestructible. I know this from personal experience and 48K miles on my current DR. (I've had three)
When the GS or XC hit the ground ... $$$$$$$$$$$ !!!

If you stay on pavement then the XC Tiger is a smooth, fun and good handling bike. Not all that fast but has a nice personality. Once packed up for the road she's a heavy beast, well over 500 lbs. Still, fun and engaging and good on ANY paved road... and did I mention reliable? Unlike the F800GS.
I own a 2007 DR650, just bought a 2012 Tiger 800XC in July and just got back from a 4 day dual sport ride on the Tiger. I bought the Tiger to replace my Honda CBF1000 and do some back roads exploring. My wife rides a Triumph Street Triple and a DR200. We have lots of both twisty paved roads, but even more forestry roads where we live. We are always trying to figure out which bikes to ride, street bikes or DRs. The DRs have been great for exploring but suck on long windy highway blasts, especially Jodie's little 200. My 650 is OK on the highway but I would never call it comfortable. I have been waiting for a bike like the Tiger for a long time. We have ridden BMW F800s on several trips through the Alps, Costa Rica etc. and had a ball on them but would never own one. They are buzzy and there are lots of problems reported although we've never had a break down on them. Plus they just can't compare to the Triumph triple.

I didn't have any problems with the Tiger handling wise or find it to be any more of a handful than my DR is on our ride. I did crash twice, well one crash and one just set it down slowly. No damage to the bike and I didn't even have time to fit the BarkBusters before we left so I just had the crappy plastic hand guards, but I loosened the lever bolts so my clutch just twisted instead of snapping when I crashed.





This ride ended up being way tougher than I was expecting. I suck in sand and that crash isn't a reflection on the bike but more my ability or more accurately, lack of it. Probably would have crashed my DR there too. We rode about 50kms on power line roads, these were steep rocky, loose climbs and descents with a few washouts thrown in. I didn't have any trouble on that knarly terrain, just the sand.

We wouldn't choose to ride roads that difficult, we typically just take off down forestry roads and for our "typical" use the Tiger is the perfect choice. Way, way more comfortable and fun on the twisty parts, and I find I can slide the back end easier on the Tiger than the DR but I'm still learning.

Just to give you an idea of the terrain, there was one broken leg, the guy rode 15km out of the bush with his leg splinted with branches and electrical tape. One broken nose, one broken wrist, another broken arm. My wife had a spectacular crash on a steep rocky ascent when a truck came over the rise, she moved right but was chasing a rider on an F800GS and couldn't see the trail for the dust and tagged not one but three big rocks before being bounced into the ditch. Thankfully just bruised up and learned a good lesson, she'd been riding too damn fast and having a bit too much fun chasing the guys on their "bigger" bikes.



Sure my DR would have been a bit easier to handle in the toughest sections, but I didn't struggle with the Tiger through them either. And when it came to the 5 1/2 hour highway blast to get home I was sure glad I was on the Tiger and not the DR.

As for the heat, yes you get some heat from the bike when the fan kicks in. We both find our DRs to be the "coolest" bikes we've ever ridden except for the R1200RT. We live in Canada's only desert and see temps in the 90-100 degree range and have never had a problem with the DRs getting hot or bugging us with heat. I'm not bothered by the heat from the Tiger but Jodie has sold bikes because they roasted her, like her Ninja 650. Heat is a very relative thing and we all handle it differently. Does the Tiger get hot? Sure but for me it's not uncomfortable and we were mostly 1st and 2nd gear all weekend with temps hovering around 90 for most of the weekend.

I sure don't have any problems with the throttle, it's not twitchy at all and we were riding on the pegs up and down those steep, tight switch backs and I didn't even think about the throttle/clutch etc. they just worked.

Me and Jodie doing what we love to do.


Anyone doubting the Tiger 800XC's abilities, just read a few of av_mech's or burren riders threads. As usual it really boils down to the riders ability, the Tiger IS capable.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=701552
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704559

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Old 09-14-2012, 10:39 AM   #69139
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Really? I think having high quality parts to replace cheesy stock ones with is a bonus in my book.
You definitely wont be interested in any of the stuff I am working on for the DR then.

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Warp 9 ... Those levers are nice! ... and I do like your chain guide.
Although somehow my white plastic stocker is still hanging in at nearly 50,000 miles. It's been whacked many times by rocks ... not so bad, but I'm sure a custom job will be better.

I've never broken a lever on my DR despite quite a few falls. Bark Busters seem to make all the difference ... and a correct positioning of them and the levers ... or maybe I'm just lucky?
I always pack two spare levers. They were $8 each.

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Old 09-14-2012, 10:50 AM   #69140
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Just to give you an idea of the terrain, there was one broken leg, the guy rode 15km out of the bush with his leg splinted with branches and electrical tape. One broken nose, one broken wrist, another broken arm. My wife had a spectacular crash on a steep rocky ascent when a truck came over the rise, she moved right but was chasing a rider on an F800GS and couldn't see the trail for the dust and tagged not one but three big rocks before being bounced into the ditch. Thankfully just bruised up and learned a good lesson, she'd been riding too damn fast and having a bit too much fun chasing the guys on their "bigger" bikes.

Sure my DR would have been a bit easier to handle in the toughest sections, but I didn't struggle with the Tiger through them either. And when it came to the 5 1/2 hour highway blast to get home I was sure glad I was on the Tiger and not the DR.

Anyone doubting the Tiger 800XC's abilities, just read a few of av_mech's or burren riders threads. As usual it really boils down to the riders ability, the Tiger IS capable.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=701552
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=704559
Big Kudos on one Hell of a ride! Great points made all round.
Sounds like you really tested the Tiger XC.
I think you were perhaps a bit lucky regards no serious damage when you fell. If you fell on sand ... that's a good thing. Falling on rocks or flipping the bike is where damage can happen. IN GENERAL ... I believe the DR survives a bit better than the XC. Also, the XC is so beautiful, I just can't see beating up a $13,000 bike.
The important thing is ... Don't Crash!

Nice going! Love the pics!

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Old 09-14-2012, 11:06 AM   #69141
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Big Kudos on one Hell of a ride! Great points made all round.
Sounds like you really tested the Tiger XC.
I think you were perhaps a bit lucky regards no serious damage when you fell. If you fell on sand ... that's a good thing. Falling on rocks or flipping the bike is where damage can happen. IN GENERAL ... I believe the DR survives a bit better than the XC. Also, the XC is so beautiful, I just can't see beating up a $13,000 bike.
The important thing is ... Don't Crash!

Nice going! Love the pics!
I totally agree, the DRs will always crash better than a Tiger or GS once you have barkbusters and some case protection.

And I agree about the not crashing part, that's always the plan but just not always followed.

Just wish I could ride as good as this guy did on his XL, he breezed through the whole ride, which really hits home the point "It ain't the tool, son".


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Old 09-14-2012, 11:23 AM   #69142
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Just to give you an idea of the terrain, there was one broken leg, the guy rode 15km out of the bush with his leg splinted with branches and electrical tape. One broken nose, one broken wrist, another broken arm. My wife had a spectacular crash on a steep rocky ascent when a truck came over the rise, she moved right but was chasing a rider on an F800GS and couldn't see the trail for the dust and tagged not one but three big rocks before being bounced into the ditch. Thankfully just bruised up and learned a good lesson, she'd been riding too damn fast and having a bit too much fun chasing the guys on their "bigger" bikes.

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Warp 9 ... Those levers are nice! ... and I do like your chain guide.

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Old 09-14-2012, 11:40 AM   #69143
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The guy in this picture needs to be part of this community.

Outstanding all-'rounder he seems to have there.

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Just wish I could ride as good as this guy did on his XL, he breezed through the whole ride, which really hits home the point "It ain't the tool, son".

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Old 09-14-2012, 12:07 PM   #69144
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same bike, exact same problem, order with RegulatorRectifier still pending after more than a week,hate having bike not running. what the hell is up with this run of bad pickup coils?
I have no idea what's up with the pickup coil, but those phillips head screws holding it in place are giving me no end of headaches.

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called RegulatorRectifier, regarding pending order. it was sent and received by my drop box in the u.s., so i guess they get a thumbs up from me. confusion arose from the fact that they do not provide tracking, so my mistake.
I wound up calling them yesterday afternoon and was told that my part was out for delivery that day. The lack of tracking notification threw me off as well, so I guess I judged a little harshly and a little early. Interestingly enough, did yours come with the red and white wires or the blue and green wires? The first post I read about replacing this thing was from a couple years ago and the general point was "came with blue and green wires, but you have to reverse them for it to work." Then, a couple people from more recently said "came with red and white wires. Put the red to green and white to blue." The company's website was even updated to show that it comes with the red and white wires and how to wire them in. However, mine came with green and blue wires. Before I solder it together, seal everything back up, and put the oil back in the bike, I want to know if they wound up making new replacement parts that are correctly wired. Just curious.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:23 PM   #69145
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However, mine came with green and blue wires. Before I solder it together, seal everything back up, and put the oil back in the bike, I want to know if they wound up making new replacement parts that are correctly wired. Just curious.

Mine came with red and white, but it is really not a problem if you have to reverse them after you put it all together. Like I had said, they do not seem consistent on the coloring. I would connect them OUTSIDE the engine case to make it easier to do this. I had to.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:30 PM   #69146
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Mine came with red and white, but it is really not a problem if you have to reverse them after you put it all together. Like I had said, they do not seem consistent on the coloring. I would connect them OUTSIDE the engine case to make it easier to do this. I had to.
Connect them outside the case? That's a damn good idea....

New question, what's the best way to get the damn phillips heads out so you can pull that coil? I just barely got one out, but the second one turned into a perfectly smooth cone the second I twisted the screwdriver.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:38 PM   #69147
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:09 PM   #69148
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Ya keep us updated on the levers. The last owner of my DR cut his balls off to get a good fit with the handguards. I want to replace the whole setup.
I remember a guy who does not ride a DR anymore cutting the balls off then sliding the lever back into the whole that is on the bottom of ball and having some one heli-ark them back on...just a cheap suggestion.

There are also handguards that fit off the tripple tree that have room.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:56 PM   #69149
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Connect them outside the case? That's a damn good idea....

New question, what's the best way to get the damn phillips heads out so you can pull that coil? I just barely got one out, but the second one turned into a perfectly smooth cone the second I twisted the screwdriver.
I think I ended up using an impact driver on one of them. One of them came out fine for me. The trick was having someone hold everything while I whacked (I believe my wife was supporting it against the footpeg while I did this because the wire is still attached). Of course, just in case of future need, I ended up replacing the phillips head with allen bolts (like the NSU screws). I do not remember the pitch or size now. I was waiting on the gasket, so I just took the screws down to Ace Hardware and matched them up.
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Old 09-14-2012, 03:24 PM   #69150
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I think I ended up using an impact driver on one of them. One of them came out fine for me. The trick was having someone hold everything while I whacked (I believe my wife was supporting it against the footpeg while I did this because the wire is still attached). Of course, just in case of future need, I ended up replacing the phillips head with allen bolts (like the NSU screws). I do not remember the pitch or size now. I was waiting on the gasket, so I just took the screws down to Ace Hardware and matched them up.
I'm going to try getting my hands on an impact driver this afternoon when I pickup a soldering iron or some other way of connecting the wires in the right place. If that doesn't work, I'm really trying to make drilling out the screw my last option. Once I've got that taken care of, I'm definitely picking up some damn allen heads for everything that' got a phillips on it now. What the hell were they thinking...
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