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Old 07-24-2012, 08:15 AM   #16
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Never worried about chicken strips, sometimes I got'm, some times I dont. Ride a bike on knobbies for 2,000 miles down the interstate and you pretty much gonna have them.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:19 AM   #17
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This could make a very entertaining thread all on its own.

Yup it could .

(... and I'd never own a 4wd when there are much better alternatives available.... and I drive ice and snow 6 months/yr.)
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Old 07-26-2012, 07:30 AM   #18
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This could make a very entertaining thread all on its own.

F.W.I.W. I've seen Subarus climb steep slippery snow/ice covered roads where even old jeeps with Quadratrack (which locks all 4 wheels together in rotation) couldn't, with comparable tires.

I also had a 72 Dodge Coronet Wagon with posi and studded snows that wouldn't get stuck ANYWHERE in the winter. (with no added weight in the rear)
I honestly think it has more to do with the driver than the vehicle.

Sorry O.P.! Back to your topic.
I wonder what cage drivers (yes even Subarus) think when I ride up that steep slippery ice covered hill and pass them with my V-strom
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Old 09-15-2012, 05:03 AM   #19
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I'm up to 14,000 miles now and the square strip in the center of the original rear tire on my CBR250R needed another touch up with the grinder. 15 minutes later I had another big pile of rubber dust on the floor since I hadn't really taken it all the way the first time. Let the tire idle around on a stand and just work the square corners off with a 40 grit disc on your grinder.
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Old 09-15-2012, 08:56 PM   #20
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This works great on worn knobbies too. 20 minutes with a belt sander (bike on a stand), let the sander spin the wheel.
Nice round(er) profile will get you a couple more rides out of a square tire...
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:37 PM   #21
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I ride a Ural with live 2wd, have ridden several 2 wheelers, owned old school 4X4 Suburban, Wagoneer, Bronco, Blazer, and several Williys equipped with various lockers and limited slips, in the military I drove tanks, APC's, 6X6 and 8X8 trucks, I'm a CDL driver for a company that operates 28', 53', and doubles, all in snow.
Also had a Yugo which was great in snow
Some were better than others, some were virtually unstoppable, none were as easy to drive within their limitations as my wife's Subaru Outback.

Judgement, skill, and equipment are all important, one will not make up for a lack of another, but using the best tool for the job goes a long way.
Today's AWD systems can work very well, big wide tires suck, nothing beats a good set of chains
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:33 AM   #22
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How does this thread keep getting swamped with talk about all wheel drive?
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:47 AM   #23
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A tire for a CBR250 is probably less than $75.

New tires transform the way your bike rides and handles, and unless you really like riding on less than optimal tires (whicg I won't do), I don't understand the point.

I won't even get to the car tire/motorcycle thing, it's just wrong.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:20 AM   #24
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This could make a very entertaining thread all on its own.

F.W.I.W. I've seen Subarus climb steep slippery snow/ice covered roads where even old jeeps with Quadratrack (which locks all 4 wheels together in rotation) couldn't, with comparable tires.

I also had a 72 Dodge Coronet Wagon with posi and studded snows that wouldn't get stuck ANYWHERE in the winter. (with no added weight in the rear)
I honestly think it has more to do with the driver than the vehicle.

Sorry O.P.! Back to your topic.

The subject is skewed and not accurate.

Was the Suburban 1/2 ton? Or 3/4 ton? Rear locker? Or open diff?


These debates can go on all day but what it really boils down to is; is vehicle A equipped with lockers or limited slips?

And is vehicle B equipped THE SAME.


Every Toyota 4wd I've seen or heard about comes factory (pre-TRD or 80 series) with open diffs (NO locker or ltd slip).


It is certainly no comparison to one that does come equipped.

But a Toyota (79-95 Mini, Fj40-55-60/2-70-80) is the best over-engineered, compact 4wd I've ever seen.


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Old 09-16-2012, 09:29 AM   #25
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old jeeps with Quadratrack (which locks all 4 wheels together in rotation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_fo...ms#Quadra-Trac


Sorry, but you're the one that's gotten suckered in by this. Quadra trac is ONLY in the transfer case. Nothing to do with the diffs that come after it. A transfer case has NO authority to magically change the carriers located inside each differential from open to magically a spool by shifting a lever or turning a dial. It can't nor will ever happen. A drive shaft alone can not do that.

"Quadratrack", again, is a MARKETING TERM that gives one the idea it means "all four" but it DOES NOT.



And another thing, "which locks all 4 wheels together in rotation"...

Well, duh. Don't look now, but that happens on my (non-Quadratrac equipped) 4WD when I pull the short shifter FROM 2-high to 4-high. It "locks" all four wheels together in rotation.

But my momentum can be stopped if I can spin one on the front and one on the back due to my open f/r diffs.

But then why does my truck say it's "4WD"???


Lockers, posi's or spools located inside the differentials are THE ONLY way one can illegitimately be 4-wheel-drive.
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The subject is skewed and not accurate.

Was the Suburban 1/2 ton? Or 3/4 ton? Rear locker? Or open diff?


These debates can go on all day but what it really boils down to is; is vehicle A equipped with lockers or limited slips?

And is vehicle B equipped THE SAME.


Every Toyota 4wd I've seen or heard about comes factory (pre-TRD or 80 series) with open diffs (NO locker or ltd slip).


It is certainly no comparison to one that does come equipped.

But a Toyota (79-95 Mini, Fj40-55-60/2-70-80) is the best over-engineered, compact 4wd I've ever seen.


/ off topic.
  1. Would you quit ruining yet another thread you daft bugger.
  2. Toyota LC's had cable actuated lockers pre-dating the electric ones back to at least the BJ42.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:48 AM   #27
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A tire for a CBR250 is probably less than $75.

New tires transform the way your bike rides and handles, and unless you really like riding on less than optimal tires (whicg I won't do), I don't understand the point.

I won't even get to the car tire/motorcycle thing, it's just wrong.
It's just a matter of conservation. Why throw away a tire that can still perform adequately?
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:01 AM   #28
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It's just a matter of conservation. Why throw away a tire that can still perform adequately?
Hell, why change your oil, why replace your chain? Recycle everything, run your oil through a few coffee filters, keep grinding your tire down or use a car tire, save about $50 a year! That is much better than your safety. Why ride a bike, just walk everywhere it is even cheaper! Heck, why buy clothes or even use electricity! Just run around naked in the forest eating dirt and sleeping under rocks then you are really saving money!
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:27 AM   #29
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Hell, why change your oil, why replace your chain? Recycle everything, run your oil through a few coffee filters, keep grinding your tire down or use a car tire, save about $50 a year! That is much better than your safety. Why ride a bike, just walk everywhere it is even cheaper! Heck, why buy clothes or even use electricity! Just run around naked in the forest eating dirt and sleeping under rocks then you are really saving money!
Ha Ha! Not the same thing at all. Throw things away when they are worn out. Not before.
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:56 AM   #30
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Hell, why change your oil, why replace your chain? Recycle everything, run your oil through a few coffee filters, keep grinding your tire down or use a car tire, save about $50 a year! That is much better than your safety. Why ride a bike, just walk everywhere it is even cheaper! Heck, why buy clothes or even use electricity! Just run around naked in the forest eating dirt and sleeping under rocks then you are really saving money!
Ok, the other ideas are pretty good, but I draw the line at running oil through my coffee filters. No way would I do that................... well unless it's really dirty.

What about using ear wax for lip balm? Winter's coming!
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