New Garmin Montana

[DRTBYK]

Originally Posted by OceanMtnSea

I have tried loading a large route into my Montana (Kelowna BC to Brookings, OR via Olympic Peninsula) and it did not work. No trouble creating the route in BaseCamp, but I just could not get it to load once I transferred it to the Montana.

In testing I found the only way to get it to work was to load it in smaller (day ride length) routes with start and finish waypoints and a couple of extras waypoints inbetween.

I finally went back and converted the entire route to a track and loaded my important waypoints so I could route directly to the waypoints if I decided to go off-track and then wanted to get to the next important waypoint.

I do not think it was a space limitation as I have 1/3 of my hard drive as free space......I just think that a very large route has too much data for the Montana to load and run efficiently. The brain can only handle so much.

J

There are a few limits when it comes to Along-road Routing. As mentioned there is a 50 Via Point limit. There is also a distance limit which I think (haven't tested lately) is 1000 miles. If one does judicious placement of Via Points AFTER intersections they seem to not get announced and you still get the intersection shown in the Navigation Info list. I have to believe you can make a rather complex along-road route (maybe not walking) with 50 via points.

One trick I used when I had zumo's was to use waypoints for information and not route path shaping. This enabled me to have lots of Waypoints associated with the route. I used Proximity Alerts so that I would get prompts on the zumo.

Cheers,

[tvan]

G'day Everyone,

Hope I can explain this right, Montana when I have a route up and go into the icon that shows a square with 5 lines (little box) the one you use to make changes, the system completely shuts down. Hoping that one of you gurus may bring some light as to why this happens and how I can fix this. Only happens with the routing.

[DockingPilot]

Originally Posted by DRTBYK

Wow, we seem to be all over the place on this topic.

Strait answer to your question is, yes, you can have a mixed (on/off-mapped road) routes and send it to the Montana but you'll have to have the exact same map set on the Montana as MapSource or BaseCamp did when you created the route (and yes, you can make mixed-routes in BaseCamp). Just have to remember to set Recalculation to OFF when you navigate your mixed-route.

Example of Mixed-Route created in BaseCamp on 24K US North Central Topo:





Cheers,

Base camp for windows ?
Thanks

[Albie]

Have you tried it in BC 4.0.1? I can't get it to do mixed routing in either the Mac or Windows versions.

Originally Posted by DRTBYK

Wow, we seem to be all over the place on this topic.

Strait answer to your question is, yes, you can have a mixed (on/off-mapped road) routes and send it to the Montana but you'll have to have the exact same map set on the Montana as MapSource or BaseCamp did when you created the route (and yes, you can make mixed-routes in BaseCamp). Just have to remember to set Recalculation to OFF when you navigate your mixed-route.

Example of Mixed-Route created in BaseCamp on 24K US North Central Topo:





Cheers,

[Jon_PDX]

I had something strange happen the other day when I connected the Montana to my new MacBook Air.

All I had was basecamp installed at the time. When I plugged the Montana in Basecamp only showed the base map that comes on the Montana. Not the CN NA maps that I have installed on the Montana.

I thought for sure that basecamp would read all the maps on the montana and let me choose from them.

Am I mistaken?

I thought for sure the first time I connected it to one of my other computers all the maps showed in the list but to be honest it's been so long that I could be wrong.

Of course once I loaded CN NA 2012.40 then I could choose it from the list.

Jon...

[Emmbeedee]

Originally Posted by Jon_PDX

I had something strange happen the other day when I connected the Montana to my new MacBook Air.

All I had was basecamp installed at the time. When I plugged the Montana in Basecamp only showed the base map that comes on the Montana. Not the CN NA maps that I have installed on the Montana.

I thought for sure that basecamp would read all the maps on the montana and let me choose from them.

Am I mistaken?

I thought for sure the first time I connected it to one of my other computers all the maps showed in the list but to be honest it's been so long that I could be wrong.

Of course once I loaded CN NA 2012.40 then I could choose it from the list.

Jon...

You probably need to run Javawa Device Manager on that gps/map to enable its visibility in BaseCamp.

http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html

[Albie]

Originally Posted by Jon_PDX

I had something strange happen the other day when I connected the Montana to my new MacBook Air.

All I had was basecamp installed at the time. When I plugged the Montana in Basecamp only showed the base map that comes on the Montana. Not the CN NA maps that I have installed on the Montana.

I thought for sure that basecamp would read all the maps on the montana and let me choose from them.

Am I mistaken?

I thought for sure the first time I connected it to one of my other computers all the maps showed in the list but to be honest it's been so long that I could be wrong.

Of course once I loaded CN NA 2012.40 then I could choose it from the list.

Jon...

This tool will help you see all the maps loaded on your GPS:

http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html

[Jon_PDX]

Thanks guys.

Yeah it's all good now that I loaded the maps on my computer and unlocked them.

I was just surprised that they did not show up in Basecamp with the Montana connected to the computer before loading the maps on the computer.

Regarding the software you both pointed me to. I've seen you mention it a few times now so I guess I should check it out.

Jon...

[Emmbeedee]

Originally Posted by Jon_PDX

Yeah it's all good now that I loaded the maps on my computer and unlocked them.

I was just surprised that they did not show up in Basecamp with the Montana connected to the computer before loading the maps on the computer.

Regarding the software you both pointed me to. I've seen you mention it a few times now so I guess I should check it out

If you run Javawa on the map you'll be able to connect to any computer with BaseCamp and see the maps, not just computers where you've installed the maps. Definitely worth doing.

[OceanMtnSea]

Originally Posted by DRTBYK

There are a few limits when it comes to Along-road Routing. As mentioned there is a 50 Via Point limit. There is also a distance limit which I think (haven't tested lately) is 1000 miles. If one does judicious placement of Via Points AFTER intersections they seem to not get announced and you still get the intersection shown in the Navigation Info list. I have to believe you can make a rather complex along-road route (maybe not walking) with 50 via points.

One trick I used when I had zumo's was to use waypoints for information and not route path shaping. This enabled me to have lots of Waypoints associated with the route. I used Proximity Alerts so that I would get prompts on the zumo.

Cheers,

You are likely right DRTBYK.......only I have become so comfortable with the ease of track use that I really only use routes in a pinch to get somewhere quick without spending a bunch of time figuring out an exact track.

[levain]

Originally Posted by Jon_PDX

Thanks guys.

Yeah it's all good now that I loaded the maps on my computer and unlocked them.

I was just surprised that they did not show up in Basecamp with the Montana connected to the computer before loading the maps on the computer.

Regarding the software you both pointed me to. I've seen you mention it a few times now so I guess I should check it out.

Jon...

I'll be doing the same on a macbook air soon. Did you use an external dvd drive, or is there another way?

[DRTBYK]

Originally Posted by OceanMtnSea

You are likely right DRTBYK.......only I have become so comfortable with the ease of track use that I really only use routes in a pinch to get somewhere quick without spending a bunch of time figuring out an exact track.

I am also a BIG proponent of using Tracks; especially with Waypoints along the path - and proximity alerts. But, I have to know what Routes do because my clients will surely want to use them.

Cheers,

[DRTBYK]

Originally Posted by Albie

Have you tried it in BC 4.0.1? I can't get it to do mixed routing in either the Mac or Windows versions.

The route you were looking at in my post was created 5min before I posted it... so, yes to either: Windows or Mac BC v4.0.1.

The trick is to switch between a routable and non-routable map when you want to go "off-road". On Mac BC you can do it another way using the Routing Properties window to switch between Along-road and Direct Routing Activities and then use the cmd-z when BC wants to recalculate. But, the map switching is easier and less confusing.

Cheers,

[DRTBYK]

Originally Posted by tvan

G'day Everyone,

Hope I can explain this right, Montana when I have a route up and go into the icon that shows a square with 5 lines (little box) the one you use to make changes, the system completely shuts down. Hoping that one of you gurus may bring some light as to why this happens and how I can fix this. Only happens with the routing.

Sounds like you need to update your firmware to v4.60. By the way the "little box" is the Options button.

Cheers,

[BruceWA]

Slight change of topic here.......but on my recent trip of a week ago I noticed on about 3-4 occasions that my 650t lost satellite reception, all but one of those occasions when there were NO obstructions, mountains or trees. Once in Idaho on US Hwy 2 just north of Silverwood for about 5 miles. Any ideas? My 276c used to loose satellite reception often and appears to be more sensitive to this.

Thanks.