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Old 09-27-2012, 10:27 AM   #3331
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:27 AM   #3332
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:14 AM   #3333
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Why is this bike just not getting any buzz. It seems on paper and in the show room like the perfect adventure bike for me. I on my 3rd GS. The 1st 2 were no trouble at all, my new 2010 has been in the shop 12 times. The fuel injection and BM SK management has been horrific. It makes less and less horsepower every day. it's running so lean it costs and eyes at traffic lights and at times won't start. I'm currently in the process of getting BMW to eat this one. Frustration frustration frustration, I have about $3000 in accessories on it which will all probably end up on eBay. Or I'm just going to have to accept that BMW and the Germans couldn't write a correct piece of software if Einstein were still alive, And oh the power commander route and write my own fuel and ignition management software.

just wondering if anyone has converted from a GSA to and explore and what their experiences is. I'm just baffled that this bike doesn't seem to get any attention in the comparisons. Everyone seems to compare the GSA to the super 10 which I have written for about 60 miles. It just didn't do much for me, seemed less powerful than my GS And I wasn't crazy with the wind buffeting on the highway.

I read some grumblings that the Explorer is heavy. Please note I had away my GSA to take it overseas and with no fuel but fully loaded with empty bags and accessories, it was right at 600 pounds. That's a far cry from the 485 dry weight they are advertised that and there's no way I have 115 pounds of accessories.

Can someone please give me some conversion experience from the GSA to another adventure platform.
I don't think that you can compare the GSA to the Explorer given the fact the Explorer is trully aimed at the tarmac and occasional fire trail folk (not saying it can't do more but that's isn't its target in my opinion). I also don't think we will see a GSA contender for a while either (the recently shown XC version of the Explorer was just the same bike with spoked wheels).

In terms of the weight: when you are manoeuvring the bike by hand (or if you stop at a light and put your foot in a hole) it feels real top heavy to me but once it is moving it seems to shed those pounds immediately.

I strongly suggest getting a demo ride and then you'll be even more surprised why there isn't a huge mount of buzz about it. If you are looking for 300+ miles on a tank of gas and rugged off road capability then you WILL be disappointed but if you want a bike that handles terrificily and goes like a train in every gear without having to rev the nuts off it then you will love the Explorer.

I hope this gives you a little more food for thought.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:16 PM   #3334
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Reasons for less than positive buzz:

1. A major motorcycle magazine recently proclaimed that the TEX is a joke for riding off road. This same magazine seems to be in love with the S10.

2. A very vocal minority is angry because it doesn't have an 8 gallon tank.

3. A very vocal minority on the TEX forum is angry that their 1200cc high performance triple makes noise. And vibrates too. Completely unrealistic expectations in my opinion.

As for me, I love mine. I expected it to be a fun, fast touring bike that I can take down a dirt road if necessary. It has exceeded my expectations.
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:05 AM   #3335
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Reasons for less than positive buzz:

1. A major motorcycle magazine recently proclaimed that the TEX is a joke for riding off road. This same magazine seems to be in love with the S10.

2. A very vocal minority is angry because it doesn't have an 8 gallon tank.

3. A very vocal minority on the TEX forum is angry that their 1200cc high performance triple makes noise. And vibrates too. Completely unrealistic expectations in my opinion.

As for me, I love mine. I expected it to be a fun, fast touring bike that I can take down a dirt road if necessary. It has exceeded my expectations.

+1 on hecpilot's take on the TEX. I've got about 2700 miles on mine now & it's been absolutely perfect. I would guess that roughly 600 -700 miles have been on gravel, with 1/4 of that 2 up. It handles gravel roads every bit as well as my KLR, even better that the KLR with 2 riders.

I would agree that Triumph possibly engineered the TEX with taller riders in mind, ( I'm 6'4" & 240 pounds ), but there are getting to be a lot of shorter & lighter weight owners reporting in on the different forums now & most of them seem to be loving their Tigers too.

The Arrow can is supposed to weigh in @ around 1/2 of the stock aluminum alloy can & Triumph claims it adds about 3 hp. I have a new Scorpion can ordered for mine & like the arrow, it weighs in about 1/2 as much as the stock can & Scorpion claims an added 6 hp on their dyno.

I weighed mine on a truck scale full of fuel & with most of the available options & it weighed 580 pounds.

The 1215 tripple is the smoothest running motor I've ever owned and the 6 speed tranny hooked up to the shaft drive is incredible. BUZZZZZZ...
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:11 AM   #3336
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+1 on hecpilot's take on the TEX. I've got about 2700 miles on mine now & it's been absolutely perfect. I would guess that roughly 600 -700 miles have been on gravel, with 1/4 of that 2 up. It handles gravel roads every bit as well as my KLR, even better that the KLR with 2 riders.

I would agree that Triumph possibly engineered the TEX with taller riders in mind, ( I'm 6'4" & 240 pounds ), but there are getting to be a lot of shorter & lighter weight owners reporting in on the different forums now & most of them seem to be loving their Tigers too.

The Arrow can is supposed to weigh in @ around 1/2 of the stock aluminum alloy can & Triumph claims it adds about 3 hp. I have a new Scorpion can ordered for mine & like the arrow, it weighs in about 1/2 as much as the stock can & Scorpion claims an added 6 hp on their dyno.

I weighed mine on a truck scale full of fuel & with most of the available options & it weighed 580 pounds.

The 1215 tripple is the smoothest running motor I've ever owned and the 6 speed tranny hooked up to the shaft drive is incredible. BUZZZZZZ...
Big John,
looking forward to hearing about your Scorpion can; it's my first planned major upgrade in the Spring. Who are you getting it through?
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:37 AM   #3337
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:56 AM   #3338
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:26 PM   #3339
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:51 PM   #3340
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:54 PM   #3341
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Maybe for the year....
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Looking forward to when the WC Boxer comes out just to see how it compares. I think that, given that BMW has sooo much experience in this fiekd, they should produce a bike to easily beat the Tiger but that's a high bar for sure.

I'm happy as can be with my Explorer so not looking to go German but I love the way competition breeds improvement.
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Old 09-28-2012, 01:07 PM   #3342
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Yup.

The GS is a fine motorcycle (but not for me) that is getting a little long in the tooth so I expected nothing less to be honest.
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Old 09-28-2012, 03:12 PM   #3343
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looking forward to hearing about your Scorpion can; it's my first planned major upgrade in the Spring. Who are you getting it through?
Indiana Super Bikes (866-463-9720)

They don't have them listed yet on their website, but they can get them. I ordered mine a little over 2 weeks ago and it's s'posed to be here next week some time. It's part of the first shipment of the Scorpion cans to arrive here in the states.

Call them up & ask for Dave. I got mine for $515 shipped to my address. I wanted a CF can, but was asked about my riding habits & when I mentioned how much gravel I ride I was told to stick with stainless or titanium. It sounds like the CF doesn't stand up to rocks very well, and when they checked with Scorpion Corp. they were told the lifetime waranty wouldn't cover holes busted into the can so I ordered the titanium. The stainless was quoted to me @ $455 shipped.
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:06 PM   #3344
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Looking forward to when the WC Boxer comes out just to see how it compares. I think that, given that BMW has sooo much experience in this fiekd, they should produce a bike to easily beat the Tiger but that's a high bar for sure.

I'm happy as can be with my Explorer so not looking to go German but I love the way competition breeds improvement.
Me too. Not enough to wait for it, mind you. Anxious, nonetheless.

The Explorer is an incredibly fantastic machine and one to be proud to own. I contemplated between the two for several weeks. Had I been satisfied with a standard GS and not smitten by the GSA, I'd have chosen the Explorer pretty quickly I think.

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Yup.

The GS is a fine motorcycle (but not for me) that is getting a little long in the tooth so I expected nothing less to be honest.
I'm surprised at it's Viagra-esque staying power, to be honest...old design that somehow has stayed quite relevant. But the article didn't put the Explorer as a clear winner...just an extremely solid contender that certainly isn't taking a backseat to some Deutch motorrad.

Good luck with the Explorer's...I think they are on their way to a long and bright future with the 1200.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:07 AM   #3345
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Bought a '13 Explorer a couple of weeks ago and so far I've found a lot to like and very little to complain about. My real use for this bike is as a sport touring machine with a few excursions down forest service roads and mountain logging roads. I have no plans to take this beast into serious technical off-road situations - I have a 300 lb. dirt bike for that shit. On fire roads and such I don't think most of us could tell the difference between the Explorer and a BMW GS. But on the road this bike nails it when compaired to the GS, much more fun through the tight stuff. I think a lot of adventure touring bike owners use their bikes mostly on-road and their off-road excursions are generally pretty tame, so for a lot of us this bike makes sense. For the few who ride any of these battleships in a serious off-road environment then, from what I'm told, the GS is still the bike for you - I, personally have no desire to, or the skills to take a 500+ lb, $18,000 bike on anything but fire/forest service roads. When I'm traveling this bike will allow me to explore roads I would not do on my previous sport-touring mount ('10 Kaw Concourse) but still have a blast on the great pavement in NC, TN, WV, VA etc.
This is one of the most comfortable bikes I've ever owned and I the motor is fantastic, the only complaints I have are engine heat on the legs in hot weather (only noticeable if only wearing jeans without overpants) and wind noise from the shield (I've bought another stock shield and plan to cut it down, that may eliminate some of the noise)
So, all-in-all I think it's a fantastic bike that should be on anyones short list if you are looking for this class of motorcycle.
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