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Old 09-28-2012, 03:30 AM   #76
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VERSYS 300, NOW!!!



...only if they give it some real suspension travel. (unlike the Versys) They could stuff the 300 into a older klr250 type frame with a stouter suspension.
THAT! would be really different. (and a 4-5 gal. tank)

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Old 09-28-2012, 04:00 AM   #77
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I really hope they introduce a naked model with abs - of course I'm still waiting for an ABS versys!
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:06 AM   #78
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I saw one in person today when I dropped off my kid to pick up a 2012 250. It's a nice evolution from the 12s. The last obvious ode to cheapness is the rear brake pedal, still stamped steel with ugly holes punched in it. The clutch lever pull is noticably lighter and the lines work better. It was sitting next to 2 12s and a CBR250r. It easily blows them both away in pure looks. It is much more a solid looking "real" bike than the 12 and far and away beyond the CBR. My opinion only. The wheels and tires are proportionate to the body. It'll not look far out of place among 600-1000s on the road or parked among friends, tghat should be a huge draw to younger new riders.

The passenger pad has gotten thinner, the ergos seem the same. A few pieces crossed over unchanged. The dash is decent looking too. Sitting on one wouldn't be a bad place to be. Wonder how they run.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:01 AM   #79
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...Wonder how they run.
My guess would be, pretty good.

I have an ex500 (Ninja 500) that has a claimed 59 HP and weighs about 440 lbs (7.46 lbs/HP). The Ninja 300 has a 39 HP and weighs about 380 lbs from what I can find on the internet (9.74 lbs/HP). So, acceleration wise it may not be as quick as the old 500, but it will probably out handle it anywhere with curves due to the 60 fewer pounds and much improved suspension.

All in all, I think this is going to be just as big of a success for Kawasaki as the 250 (as long as cost doesn't hinder people from buying it).
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:03 PM   #80
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Kinda hard to get exited about this when it weighs nearly 400 pounds. I had a 93 Ducati 750 that weighed 368.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:50 PM   #81
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Kinda hard to get exited about this when it weighs nearly 400 pounds. I had a 93 Ducati 750 that weighed 368.
True, but then again the new 1199 Panigale S Tricolore is 420 lbs wet
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:39 PM   #82
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:44 PM   #83
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moto ergo shows the 300 same as 2012 250- 71 knee angle 17 degree lean, for 6.2, 34inseam
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:47 PM   #84
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:21 PM   #85
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ex300 dyno shootout
Wow, cool video. Thanks for sharing scooterspirit. If I was in the area I would stop off and maybe give some business to Skagit Powersports after such a nice comparison. Why haven't I seen such a comprehensive dyno study from the major internet cycle reviewers?
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:29 AM   #86
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Mostly because they're weenies.
This is the baddest ass 300 that's ever been made on the planet. I guess it's too heavy .
Pay $12-13K and they'll shave off 75lbs and get you a really good suspension.
I'm good with the cheap stuff though...
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:24 PM   #87
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I absolutely LOVE that dyno test video. Big props to them, except for one thing. Anyone who considers 6k rpm on the 250 as "mid-range" makes me wonder a bit...or a lot. As the owner of an '09, I can tell you that <7k is bottom end, 7-10k is mid-range, and 10-redline is the top end. That said, the 6k figure is a nice reference point for pulling away from traffic in those first couple of seconds after the light turns green, or how much it will pull from a relaxed, steady-state cruising speed.

The whole picture looks very promising - a bigger upgrade than I was expecting, but I'm still waiting to see how the rumored CBR500 turns out.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:50 PM   #88
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Thanks ScooterSpirit. The dyno info. was terrific. I think Kawasaki just handed Honda's ass to them in the 200-300 cc bike range. I'm impressed with the competition between Honda and Kawasaki in this area. We all benefit from this.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:51 PM   #89
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... but I'm still waiting to see how the rumored CBR500 turns out.
Bingo. I've been grinding over this 300 and whether I oughtta upgrade my CBR250R. Then I remembered the possible 500...twin, FI, lightweight, ABS...might be good.

I'm gonna keep riding the snot out of my 250 and be patient...

Got a 430-mile tour over Sierras and back coming up next Saturday.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:14 PM   #90
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I'm gonna keep riding the snot out of my 250 and be patient...
Same here. I'm still having plenty of fun with it, and I actually love the look of the 2008- generation N250. If I could get a "big-stroke kit" and FI installed for a reasonable amount, I would really consider it, especially after seeing that dyno vid on the 300. But I know that's horribly unlikely, and the whole economy of scale thing works against it.

My '09 250 will surely keep me happy through the rest of the riding season...but I *am* keeping my eyes open for the best upgrade path. I do hope the CBR500 fits the bill for me, because I've been unimpressed with any of the 650's I've tried.
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