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Old 10-01-2012, 11:42 AM   #16
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Back on topic, I can't imagine riding a bike in heavy traffic and not filtering. I feel sorry for the good folks who live in a part of the world where filtering is illegal.
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:54 AM   #17
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The OP said it is illegal to filter in "moving" traffic in Texas. Does anyone know if it is OK once the cars have stopped at a traffic light? There would still be some risk of being illegal should the cars begin moving while you are filtering, I suppose.

Like someone else mentioned, an alternative would be to stop in such a way that you have an escape route, and keep an eye on traffic coming from behind.

In California, filtering is legal, but not recommended in the motorcycle handbook.

BTW, that lady in the video was psycho! The rider certainly instigated the incident by kicking her car, but attempted murder with a deadly object (car) is quite another level. If he had been carrying a firearm, I believe he would have been justified in firing through the front windshield. He probably got written up for vandalism, though.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:09 PM   #18
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I would like to respond to this by posting a picture from my morning commute a few years ago....



I couldn't lane split through here and I got hit by a industrial sized lawn mower. THAT is why I lane split!!

Having said that, I know that Texans have been known to enforce the lawn on their own time..... and lots of them carry guns..... so it seems like quite a risk either way.
Yeah well, the payout from the gubmint was prompt and generous, so I don't wanna hear it!





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Old 10-01-2012, 12:29 PM   #19
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Yes, filtering is better. As long as you clear out when the light changes.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:52 PM   #20
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On a dual sport you are indeed special, by all means go right to the front of the line. That way you won't be hit by any of the stopped cars.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:22 PM   #21
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Lane split all the time here in Europe. Won't zip past a traffic jam at a +/- 50 km/hr speed difference like some do but at a slower pace, or at traffic lights with a minor queue, I do it all the time.

I always keep the bike in 1st, and make sure I make a good clean getaway at the green though, sometimes someone won't like you filtering to the front (most times they were startled to see a bike pull up in front of them when they were at the front row) and they will try to keep up. A little throttle and I'm a few lengths ahead.

General EUR attitude (cagers and bikers) = Why keep a carspace occupied at the middle with a motorcycle, when you can take off from the front alot faster then most cars and free up some space in the middle/back of the queue?
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:10 PM   #22
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Uhh.....when you filter to the front at a light, you wind up right between the two cars who are first in line. So what do you do when the light changes, count on one of them to let you get ahead in their lane? Riding some dual sports, you may not have the juice to force the issue and would more than likely piss off the driver anyway. What's the problem with just taking your turn, aiming for an escape route in case someone tries to make a sandwichh of you from behind, watch your mirrors, as others have said, until you have a car or two buffer behind you (of course keeping the bike in gear)?
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:14 PM   #23
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I never filter so I end up between 2 cars.

I filter to the front, as in I park in front of the right car.

It's Europe, people can't drive for sh*t so they pull up leaving a good carlength before the white line.

I always check, if the cars are all the way upto the white line I just stay in the lane, don't want to end up next to a car...
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:00 PM   #24
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Filtrer smilter, schmatagat....

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Old 10-01-2012, 03:24 PM   #25
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Uhh.....when you filter to the front at a light, you wind up right between the two cars who are first in line. So what do you do when the light changes, count on one of them to let you get ahead in their lane? Riding some dual sports, you may not have the juice to force the issue and would more than likely piss off the driver anyway. What's the problem with just taking your turn, aiming for an escape route in case someone tries to make a sandwichh of you from behind, watch your mirrors, as others have said, until you have a car or two buffer behind you (of course keeping the bike in gear)?
uhh.. I gently roll on the throttle and easily clear all traffic.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:25 PM   #26
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Filtering up is a nice way to say you're snaking all the stopped cars, and saying it's for safety is just trying to justify your snakeyness. Nobody likes a snake...
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:47 PM   #27
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Filtering up is a nice way to say you're snaking all the stopped cars, and saying it's for safety is just trying to justify your snakeyness. Nobody likes a snake...

I've to agree to disagree, if you're filtering without holding someone up, what's the problem?
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:53 PM   #28
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I've to agree to disagree, if you're filtering without holding someone up, what's the problem?
unless you run the red light, skipping to the front of the line holds the line up relative to what would have happened had you not skipped to the front of the line.

if it's only you, and you nail the throttle the instant the light changes (and the 1st car in line would not have done the same), the hold up is very short and probably has no real effect.

if skipping line becomes common place and you have several bikes doing it or you don't nail it the instant the light changes, the hold up starts to have an effect.

if one car does not make it through the light because of your skipping line that would have made it through the light had you not skipped line, you have negatively impacted another in a selfish act--which is lame.
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I've to agree to disagree, if you're filtering without holding someone up, what's the problem?
Here's the problem, some people have tiny genitalia. Anybody who calls themselves a rider better know that the safest place is in a bubble and that the best way to create a bubble is by being first off a light.


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unless you run the red light, skipping to the front of the line holds the line up relative to what would have happened had you not skipped to the front of the line.

if it's only you, and you nail the throttle the instant the light changes (and the 1st car in line would not have done the same), the hold up is very short and probably has no real effect.

if skipping line becomes common place and you have several bikes doing it or you don't nail it the instant the light changes, the hold up starts to have an effect.

if one car does not make it through the light because of your skipping line that would have made it through the light had you not skipped line, you have negatively impacted another in a selfish act--which is lame.
We have a lot of riders in California, and filtering is legal and your hypothetical doesn't match my practical experience/observation.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:02 PM   #30
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Here's the problem, some people have tiny genitalia. Anybody who calls themselves a rider better know that the safest place is in a bubble and that the best way to create a bubble is by being first off a light.


It's a perk, just like air conditioning is a perk for people in cages.


We have a lot of riders in California, and filtering is legal and your hypothetical doesn't match my practical experience/observation.
well here in spain it's comon practise, the most important part is to make sure that no'one is filtering faster than you from behind
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