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Old 04-25-2012, 05:48 PM   #31
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Also...

There seems to be a lot of metal flakes in the coolant. This could be the result of someone using Stop Leak or similar products in the radiator OR... we could have a shredded water pump. I'll be pulling that apart next.
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Old 04-29-2012, 10:04 AM   #32
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Per Honda manual:

Removing the valve cover
Step one: remove engine from frame.
Per Honda manual:

Removing the water pump
Step one: remove engine from frame.


Okay, okay, Honda, I get it.

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Old 04-30-2012, 11:16 AM   #33
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Engine

I'll post more details later, but to summarize: The Loser could really use a new engine.

I've found one for cheap on eBay, but it's local pickup only in Jefferson City, Missouri. If anyone know someone who could pick this engine up and store it until I drive through in June, I would sure appreciate it.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:42 PM   #34
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I can go pick it up tomorrow or Monday and keep it at my house in the garage until then. I'll PM you with contact info. I'm located in the Kansas City area.
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:50 PM   #35
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Time for an update.

It's hard to tell exactly what the causes where for all the various repairs on this bike. My guess is the weep hole on the water pump started to leak. When this happens it means the internal gaskets on the pump are bad. I believe a previous handler thought the external seals where bad so they added RTV gasket to the seal. When this didn't fix the problem they added JB weld to the bottom of the pump where the fluid was dripping.

Anyway, the internal seals on the pump are bad. The pump in not rebuildable (dumb), it needs to be completely replaced. Honda has discontinued the pump. There are none available on eBay.

While disassembling the engine we managed to break a cam (that's another story). There are loose pieces of RTV gasket all through the engine. All of these things led me to look for a new engine, and I've bought on in Missouri for only $26!!! (http://www.ebay.com/itm/150803817497)



I'm going on a trip to Georgia later this month so I'll be driving through the area and I can pick it up. The engine is out of an '86 Shadow (still 500cc) and I believe it is identical to the '84 Ascot, but that's going to be a bit of a gamble.

Thanks to Redburn for picking up the engine and rcjhk for volunteering as well.

If this works out it will reduce the repair costs of The Loser by about $450, and frankly, without a cheap engine like this, The Loser would be in great danger of becoming a parts bike. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this will all work out.
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:19 PM   #36
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awesome Pablo!

I'm glad you were able to get the engine. I've been busy with work this week but if you let me know when you want me to come over and help I'll do my best to stay away from the cams.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:14 PM   #37
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Summer's really been busy and I haven't been able to work on The Loser, but I've finally been able to pull it into the shop. The frame and engine on the right is the donor engine I got on eBay.

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Old 08-27-2012, 09:19 PM   #38
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I don't know if I should or . But way to go bringing the Loser back to life. BTW: remember to use plenty of red wire and that is what binds it all together.


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Old 09-05-2012, 09:46 PM   #39
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Well I was told that this new engine was a "runner", but after pulling the valve cover I can see it was not a good runner. One of the valve adjuster jam nuts came loose and this is what the clearance looks like:



Damage report: one of the valve keepers has partially popped out and is cracked. The top of the valve is destroyed. The rocker arm face is also destroyed.



hopefully there are enough good parts from both engines to build one good one.
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:15 PM   #40
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Well that's disappointing. Donor bike has some stories too. Hope, and luck to you as you go. Thanks for sharing your progress.
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:34 PM   #41
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Gotta give you credit for stickin' with it though...
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Old 09-06-2012, 04:45 PM   #42
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Did you file a complaint to recoup the $26???
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:24 PM   #43
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Well, after a stupid-long wait for a head gasket, the heads are back on the Loser...



While reassebling it I noticed the tower that supports the RPM gauge drive was cracked (what did you people do to this bike?)



I could weld this side of the crack, but it would be near impossible to weld the inside so it would probably end up breaking again. The RMP needle on the Loser is broken anyway so it's not much use trying to fix this. I used Shadow 500 donor engine parts (the Shadow did not have an RPM drive) to fix the issue. I've got a plan to replace the RPM gauge...
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:43 PM   #44
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(what did you people do to this bike?)
If you only knew.

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Old 10-07-2012, 12:54 PM   #45
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What a story.There has never been a more well documented bike's ownership stories and horrors.
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