Killboy failure Dragon Fest

[cliffy109]

Originally Posted by RDTCU

This crash had nothing to do with over-braking. See the trolley tracks? His front tire wedged in it at the moment he hit the brakes. Flipping over the bars of an S1000RR is flat out impossible without something external grabbing the tire. It has proportional braking linked to the rear plus race ABS.

[thetable]

Originally Posted by cliffy109

This crash had nothing to do with over-braking. See the trolley tracks? His front tire wedged in it at the moment he hit the brakes. Flipping over the bars of an S1000RR is flat out impossible without something external grabbing the tire. It has proportional braking linked to the rear plus race ABS.

Yeah, because it's impossible to disable the ABS, and the ABS was never an option on the s1000rr...

[txwanderer]

Originally Posted by Tripped1

.....or you just adjust your levers properly. I've ridden two+two on the levers (both of them) since my hand was big enough to wrap around the grip and the lever without clamping any "extra" fingers.




I'd say it is whatever you are comfortable with. I started riding that way because it removed the temptation (and ability) to do a full four finger clamp on the front brake. That was over 20 years ago, my throttle and brake control goes all to hell if I try to four finger the brake lever, on the clutch it putzs with my timing for a couple gears. ...and I tend to ride bikes that the brakes will toss you ass over tea-kettle before you really have a change to correct them.

Sorry, but just because you can't do it doesn't make it wrong. If your control goes away, take your own advice and adjust your levers properly.

Shame on you for being a 20 year rider and never learning to truly master your machine. If you got a motorcycle to look cool, imagine what learning to ride it can do for you.

[k1w1t1m]

Originally Posted by hooliken

3. Wrong side of the road FAIL! Unless of course this is the New Dragon with British driving Rules!

Have another look.

[hushpuppy]

Originally Posted by hooliken

3. Wrong side of the road FAIL! Unless of course this is the New Dragon with British driving Rules!

Nah, take another look. Yellow lines to the left and white on the right.

[Bill Harris]

And now Killboy's added a KneeDown with... sparkles.



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[Bill Harris]

Originally Posted by greasyboy

Dent in the pipe...

...means she's a user and not a loser.

[Gummee!]

Originally Posted by hushpuppy

Nah, take another look. Yellow lines to the left and white on the right.

I looked at that. He's hanging his head over the DY but the bike's on this side.

He's also sorta crossed up in his cornering technique, but I let that slide.

M

[2handedSpey]

I must be the only KLr rider because a pinky, or just two fingers isn't going to do squat.

It's heavy and has "sluggish" braking. There is no way a pinky or two fingers is going to slow the pig down.

Ps... As mentioned above, the riders front tire gets wedged in the rail tracks above. There's no way a front brake could lockup that clearly, on a dime. If it were a front brake "over tug" the front would have skidded, washed out and rider high sides.
In the video, the rider is inbetween the tracks, an idiot pedestrian runs out, rider barely sees pedestrian, rider distracted, bike dips into track groove, bike stops on a dime, no skidding, no rubber smoke. Just abrupt stop. Wheel locked in the track rail. Pedestrian flees. Don't see him coming back. What country is this filmed in? I couldn't tell by the license plates.

What's shocking is how slowly all the bystanders move. Gawking and reluctant to do anything.....

[pretbek]

Originally Posted by Bill Harris

...means she's a user and not a loser.

She looks he to me.

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by 2handedSpey

I must be the only KLr rider because a pinky, or just two fingers isn't going to do squat.

It's heavy and has "sluggish" braking. There is no way a pinky or two fingers is going to slow the pig down.
.....

On a KLR even all four fingers isn't nearly enough. It has automatic ABS! You couldn't lock the front tire on dry pavement if you tried!

Jim

[hooliken]

Originally Posted by hushpuppy

Nah, take another look. Yellow lines to the left and white on the right.

Upon closer inspection I stand corrected.

[ttpete]

Originally Posted by xtphreak

Maybe you should review hydraulics 101 again

Why do they change the slave cylinder? to make the clutch pull lighter

Clue:
It has to do with the applied force and the surface area ratio of the two pistons

Still asleep, I see....

You just repeated exactly what I said. And I understand hydraulic principles full well. I didn't get into that on purpose because some twatwaffle would start a discussion of hydraulics, and you managed to do it anyway.......

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by txwanderer

First and not most important, if you use your first two fingers you could run into interference by hitting the two on the grip. Causing an incomplete clutch throw, or worse on the brake handle and lose some of the braking ability.

adjust your levers properly ("properly" for using one or two fingers at least) and this is not an issue.

Second and more important, is body mechanics. This is what is difficult to explain, but easy to demonstrate. The ring and pinky fingers are built for strength and stability, and it doesn't stop at the grip

the middle and ring fingers are the ones that have the most strength for pulling on things. (do some rock climbing, that becomes very evident.)

moreover, on many bikes you need very little strength to work the levers...it's much more about feel.

The pointer and middle finger are used for more complex actions such as writing, and have much smaller muscle and tendon structure for the complexity of movement.

i'm not sure i really buy that, but...you want fine control over the levers. thus, using fingers that are designed for complex, fine actions is better.

It is also much easier to demonstrate the body's stability in person, but your body is much more stable when clenching the ring and pinky into a fist. Short story, it is all about balance and strength.

it really is not about strength on many modern bikes. it really takes very, very little strength to lock up the front wheel or pull the clutch on my KTM. my DRZ does require more strength, but still not so much that most people would need more than two fingers to summon the required strength. but, yes, there are definitely some bikes where you need to use all your fingers to generated the required strength--on those bikes, you have no choice.

(also, you should avoid to the extent possible--no that it is entirely possible--using the handle bars to balance yourself on the bike. you should ideally be able to remove your hands from the bars and still be balanced.)

I agree there may not be a "right or wrong" way but there are better and not so much better ways.

and i would argue the better way is the way that allows you to keep a couple fingers wrapped around the handle bar (and throttle) and that allows you to always have the fingers you use to operate the levers on the levers and in a position to immediately apply them.

you can provide different input to the levers, throttle, and bars at the same time more easily if you do not have all of your fingers on the levers and, instead, are still using 2 or 3 of them to control the bars and throttle.

others, of course, would argue otherwise. but, there is a reason most good dirt riders suggest doing it the way i have described...because when you really need balance, quick reactions, and fine control of all the bike's inputs simultaneously (i.e., when riding technical offroad), you get that stuff better by having a two or three fingers wrapped around the bars and 1 or 2 fingers on the levers.

and it translates to the street as well...where cars, potholes, etc. also sometimes create the need to react with fine control over all of the bikes inputs at the same time right now.

Cheers

[shelion]

Jeebus, I don't use 2 or 4 fingers on my levers, I use 2 toes!

Who the fuck cares if other people use both hands on one lever or just their pinky when THEY ride. The whole 'ride your own ride' also applies to however you choose to work your controls for crap's sake.

Now then, why is this woman holding a baby Ewok?