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Old 10-02-2012, 12:06 AM   #16726
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Can you say learn not to GRAB the brakes?
Ah yes this is the funeral I was after. I love it when they think that four fingers means "white knuckles". These people discredited themselves with their circular arguments and "grabbing" comments and .. oh.. oh... my favourite... "when I used to race" .....

Most of the questions people put forward here are about "best techniques" that put you at "lowest risk" on the public road. Then some clown comes in and says "forget survive the ride" let's go for a podium finish. Wrong tool for the job.. but then again what would you expect from a "tool".

"Best Practice" requires a definition of what you require for the benchmark.... On the public road perhaps I might be so bold to suggest that "Arrive Alive" might be a reasonable starting point. This then might lead me to the conclusion that ALL braking be done in a straight line, that ALL gear changing be done in a straight line and finally set your entry speed as constant through the whole corner... start out wide for vision, buffer from the "head on zone" and aim to finish tight. At all times buffer from any oncoming vehicles even if this means reducing your entry speed.

Of course this approach would mean that you would run "stone cold motherless last" in a competitive racing situation. Go for the "podium finish" on the "public road" and it may be a "stainless steel autopsy table" is the prize that you get. You'll be "stone cold"
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:24 AM   #16727
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Hydraulics don't necessarily make it easier. One of the first things most new Ducati owners do is to change the slave cylinder to make the clutch pull lighter. All a hydraulic setup does is eliminate cable problems. The force/travel tradeoff remains the same because your hand still provides all of the power to operate the clutch.

Maybe you should review hydraulics 101 again

Why do they change the slave cylinder? to make the clutch pull lighter

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It has to do with the applied force and the surface area ratio of the two pistons



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Old 10-02-2012, 04:39 AM   #16728
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Well, you have half the story right. most don't understand "why" it should be that way. However there is a reason, actually a couple of them.
First and not most important, if you use your first two fingers you could run into interference by hitting the two on the grip. Causing an incomplete clutch throw, or worse on the brake handle and lose some of the braking ability.
.....or you just adjust your levers properly. I've ridden two+two on the levers (both of them) since my hand was big enough to wrap around the grip and the lever without clamping any "extra" fingers.

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Second and more important, is body mechanics. This is what is difficult to explain, but easy to demonstrate. The ring and pinky fingers are built for strength and stability, and it doesn't stop at the grip The pointer and middle finger are used for more complex actions such as writing, and have much smaller muscle and tendon structure for the complexity of movement. It is also much easier to demonstrate the body's stability in person, but your body is much more stable when clenching the ring and pinky into a fist. Short story, it is all about balance and strength.
I agree there may not be a "right or wrong" way but there are better and not so much better ways.

I'd say it is whatever you are comfortable with. I started riding that way because it removed the temptation (and ability) to do a full four finger clamp on the front brake. That was over 20 years ago, my throttle and brake control goes all to hell if I try to four finger the brake lever, on the clutch it putzs with my timing for a couple gears. ...and I tend to ride bikes that the brakes will toss you ass over tea-kettle before you really have a change to correct them.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:18 AM   #16729
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What a bloviating pack of wankers we have here.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:34 AM   #16730
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What a bloviating pack of wankers we have here.
I don't see a pic in this post either...

So here's one:

boot fail

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Old 10-02-2012, 05:36 AM   #16731
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:46 AM   #16732
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I don't see a pic in this post either...

So here's one:

boot fail

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2. Visor Fail!

3. Wrong side of the road FAIL! Unless of course this is the New Dragon with British driving Rules!
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:15 AM   #16733
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This crash had nothing to do with over-braking. See the trolley tracks? His front tire wedged in it at the moment he hit the brakes. Flipping over the bars of an S1000RR is flat out impossible without something external grabbing the tire. It has proportional braking linked to the rear plus race ABS.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:22 AM   #16734
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This crash had nothing to do with over-braking. See the trolley tracks? His front tire wedged in it at the moment he hit the brakes. Flipping over the bars of an S1000RR is flat out impossible without something external grabbing the tire. It has proportional braking linked to the rear plus race ABS.
Yeah, because it's impossible to disable the ABS, and the ABS was never an option on the s1000rr...
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:34 AM   #16735
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.....or you just adjust your levers properly. I've ridden two+two on the levers (both of them) since my hand was big enough to wrap around the grip and the lever without clamping any "extra" fingers.




I'd say it is whatever you are comfortable with. I started riding that way because it removed the temptation (and ability) to do a full four finger clamp on the front brake. That was over 20 years ago, my throttle and brake control goes all to hell if I try to four finger the brake lever, on the clutch it putzs with my timing for a couple gears. ...and I tend to ride bikes that the brakes will toss you ass over tea-kettle before you really have a change to correct them.

Sorry, but just because you can't do it doesn't make it wrong. If your control goes away, take your own advice and adjust your levers properly.

Shame on you for being a 20 year rider and never learning to truly master your machine. If you got a motorcycle to look cool, imagine what learning to ride it can do for you.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:37 AM   #16736
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3. Wrong side of the road FAIL! Unless of course this is the New Dragon with British driving Rules!
Have another look.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:38 AM   #16737
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3. Wrong side of the road FAIL! Unless of course this is the New Dragon with British driving Rules!
Nah, take another look. Yellow lines to the left and white on the right.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:44 AM   #16738
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:53 AM   #16739
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:32 AM   #16740
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Nah, take another look. Yellow lines to the left and white on the right.
I looked at that. He's hanging his head over the DY but the bike's on this side.

He's also sorta crossed up in his cornering technique, but I let that slide.

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