Is it ok to filter to b 1st?

[LittleRedToyota]

Originally Posted by khager

Nevertheless it works fine in CA and most of the rest of the world, it's only here in the 49 states that we have this third-grader mentality. Waaaahhhhhh, he's cutting in line.

so what grade level does the entitlement mentality of "fuck everyone else who is waiting in line...i'm entitled to go to the front of the line because i'm special" correspond to?

[Human Ills]

Originally Posted by windmill

No,

In our personal opinion it's not wrong.

No.

The accusation was that lane-sharers were trying to justify behavior that we thought was wrong.

It's not wrong.

I'm not justifying shit.

[windmill]

Originally Posted by Human Ills

No.

The accusation was that lane-sharers were trying to justify behavior that we thought was wrong.

It's not wrong.

I'm not justifying shit.

You do know it's illegal in 49 states?
You stated your reasons for doing it anyway.

If that's not making excuses, I don't lnow what is.

[RxZ]

Here is a study from Belgium that is probably the most thorough study done on motorcycle transport between a large city and one of its large suburbs. Read the final report in its entirety. It is a good read. Then tell us why or why not lane filtering and sharing should be allowed.

[Tjocksteffe]

Originally Posted by LittleRedToyota

so what grade level does the entitlement mentality of "fuck everyone else who is waiting in line...i'm entitled to go to the front of the line because i'm special" correspond to?

Well, have to return, thinking.... hmmmm, you're not worth it yo egoistic fucktard
( I was here before yadayada!!! (bitter old womensmeily))

You even ride????? , don't think so!

[eatpasta]

Originally Posted by windmill

Thats why I no longer do it where illegal, besides the fact that it's wrong and detrimental to our privilege to ride, I honestly believe that between the possibility of road rage and the dangers of being where we are unexpected, actually makes it more dangerous.

totally agree. a few years ago my wife and I were on a bike trip up there in Washington and I had heard that state troopers LOVE to give lane splitting tickets, so I had to actively THINK about not lane splitting. This was augmented by the traffic which was surprisingly bad. At one point our GS was overheating and I had to pull onto the side of the freeway - which if you ask me is substantially more dangerous than allowing bikes to use the available space to move up.
A trooper pulled up and asked me what was the deal. I told him the bike was overheating because I wasn't allowed to lane split so I was waiting for it to cool off. He told me to move on and I told him my bike had overheated because I was not allowed to lane split. He then told me to move on and I told him I couldn't because my bike had overheated.....you get the idea.

[eatpasta]

Originally Posted by Tjocksteffe

Well, have to return, thinking.... hmmmm, you're not worth it yo egoistic fucktard
( I was here before yadayada!!! (bitter old womensmeily))

You even ride????? , don't think so!

well let's be honest, who among us started riding so that they can sit in traffic.... really now

[klaviator]

For those against lane splitting and filtering, here's a something you can put on your bike...............or maybe your minivan.

[Human Ills]

Originally Posted by windmill

I don't know .

I know.

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by RxZ

Here is a study from Belgium that is probably the most thorough study done on motorcycle transport between a large city and one of its large suburbs. Read the final report in its entirety. It is a good read. Then tell us why or why not lane filtering and sharing should be allowed.

Wait, did someone actually say it shouldn't be allowed? I think many said it isn't, and some said it is a bad idea where it isn't allowed, but I don't recall anyone saying it shouldn't be allowed.

Jim

[Human Ills]

Originally Posted by eatpasta

totally agree. a few years ago my wife and I were on a bike trip up there in Washington and I had heard that state troopers LOVE to give lane splitting tickets, so I had to actively THINK about not lane splitting. This was augmented by the traffic which was surprisingly bad. At one point our GS was overheating and I had to pull onto the side of the freeway - which if you ask me is substantially more dangerous than allowing bikes to use the available space to move up.
A trooper pulled up and asked me what was the deal. I told him the bike was overheating because I wasn't allowed to lane split so I was waiting for it to cool off. He told me to move on and I told him my bike had overheated because I was not allowed to lane split. He then told me to move on and I told him I couldn't because my bike had overheated.....you get the idea.

If that's not wrong, then I don't know what is.

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by Tjocksteffe

Well, have to return, thinking.... hmmmm, you're not worth it yo egoistic fucktard
( I was here before yadayada!!! (bitter old womensmeily))

You even ride????? , don't think so!

Jo momma is in the basement.

Jim

[larryboy]

Originally Posted by Human Ills

You're under the impression that one has to do more than be ready to roll on a green and accelerate at more than a casual pace in order to create that safe space.

You're completely mistaken on both counts.

Next concern?

I've commuted on a TW200, also known as the worlds slowest motorcycle and even that thing could beat the cars off the line.

I commute 175 miles per day on a CBR250R right now and short of a Lambo there isn't anything on the road that can beat my 60 foot times.

Back to filtering, I have actually saved my own life by filtering, I entered the share zone and the car that had been behind me slammed the last car in line, KABOOM, I would have been killed instantly.

I do whatever it takes to stay alive, I'll run a stop sign right past a cop to keep a mower from mowing me down...sorry, AJ.

[Human Ills]

F n A

[tattoogunman]

This same topic came up in Twtex.com (Two Wheeled Texan) and I'll say here what I said there (more or less). I was in law enforcement for 16 years and as already stated, here in the U.S., it's more or less illegal in most places. Since the OP said they don't care about that, I'll go to my second point and a few people have already hit on it.

Let's face it - right, wrong, or indifferent and regardless of what you ride, there is a stigma in this country against/towards motorcyclists. When people are sitting in traffic in their “cages”, the last thing they want to see is someone flying by them on the shoulder on their bike effectively “skipping line” as someone on here has already stated. Oh I get it, don’t get me wrong – I totally get the urge to want to do it. But let us be a bit civil (if that’s the right word to use here) and think about what we are doing. All you’re doing is pissing off everyone else on the road and then people wonder why people have an attitude towards motorcyclists. I got lambasted on Twtex for saying the same thing. People complained about everything from bikes overheating to being hot in their gear as excuses to break the law and get ahead of everyone else in traffic or other situations.

As has already been said – you’re going to ride however it is you decide to ride on a given day. But all I would ask is that you think about what you’re doing and then justify why you’re any different than any other motor VEHICLE on the road that is expected to obey the traffic laws. Just because you are on two or three wheels instead of four does not give you any more right to break the law than anyone else. Do it and expect to pay the potential consequences. If you can justify it on whatever level you want to justify it, that’s fine, but it doesn’t make it right. And no, during the times that I have had a motorcycle, I've never done it and don't plan to ever do it