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Old 10-02-2012, 10:51 AM   #16756
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This crash had nothing to do with over-braking. See the trolley tracks? His front tire wedged in it at the moment he hit the brakes. Flipping over the bars of an S1000RR is flat out impossible without something external grabbing the tire. It has proportional braking linked to the rear plus race ABS.
My S1000RR doesn't have linked brakes. ABS yes.

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Yeah, because it's impossible to disable the ABS, and the ABS was never an option on the s1000rr...
I'm not sure what you're saying here, but, you can easily disable the ABS and it has always been an option on the S1000RR. The Canadian model wasn't available without ABS.


My old Honda CBR1000F required four fingers hauling on the brake to stop fast. My S1000RR is one or maybe two fingers to emergency brake with the ABS just fluttering on the edge of kicking in in Race mode. I can use four fingers but why bother?

I got around the only potential problem I saw (trapping the extra fingers on the clutch side) by replacing the stock levers with Pazzo shorties. The brake lever never gets close enough to the grip to worry about trapping fingers.

I find that much of what is taught at MSF needs to be taken with a grain of experience and common sense, such as lane position.


And... I have no pics of the Dragon.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:00 PM   #16757
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:10 PM   #16758
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:16 PM   #16759
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What am I missing? The bicyclist is way over to the shoulder on the other side of the road. There's nothing in front of the rider that I can see.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:24 PM   #16760
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Looking at his tire mark on the wet road,it looks like the rear end slid out. YES-NO?
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:25 PM   #16761
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:42 PM   #16762
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Looking at his tire mark on the wet road,it looks like the rear end slid out. YES-NO?
I don't think so. It looks more to me like the rider has absolutely no confidence in his tires on a wet surface. I would hate to see him on knobbies in the wet.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:57 PM   #16763
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This crash had nothing to do with over-braking. See the trolley tracks? His front tire wedged in it at the moment he hit the brakes. Flipping over the bars of an S1000RR is flat out impossible without something external grabbing the tire. It has proportional braking linked to the rear plus race ABS.

Look harder, it wasn't trolley tracks, it was an unintentional stoppie to avoid slamming in to the idiot running across traffic. If you watch it a couple times you can clearly see someone run directly in front of him from the right and keep on going out the left side. Kudos to the rider (and the brakes) for reacting that quickly even if did mean going all the way over the bars. Unfortunately the person that actually caused the accident probably just kept on going.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:11 PM   #16764
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Look harder, it wasn't trolley tracks, it was an unintentional stoppie to avoid slamming in to the idiot running across traffic. If you watch it a couple times you can clearly see someone run directly in front of him from the right and keep on going out the left side. Kudos to the rider (and the brakes) for reacting that quickly even if did mean going all the way over the bars. Unfortunately the person that actually caused the accident probably just kept on going.
He was going to fast in that much traffic.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:34 PM   #16765
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Look harder, it wasn't trolley tracks, it was an unintentional stoppie to avoid slamming in to the idiot running across traffic. If you watch it a couple times you can clearly see someone run directly in front of him from the right and keep on going out the left side. Kudos to the rider (and the brakes) for reacting that quickly even if did mean going all the way over the bars. Unfortunately the person that actually caused the accident probably just kept on going.

Look harder still... at about 0:15 or 0:16, if you look at the road along the left trolley rail, you can see some missing asphalt along the rail a couple of feet before where the bike landed. Likely a combination of two. When he reacted and got on the brakes HARD, his front tire also got trapped in this missing asphalt. If you look close at the video you can that his bike is pretty much lined up with that left trolley rail.

I wish I knew how to do a screen grab from youtube... I'd post it up.

Edit: Also visible near the orange shoe at around :051.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:36 PM   #16766
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Look harder still... at about 0:15 or 0:16, if you look at the road along the left trolley rail, you can see some missing asphalt along the rail a couple of feet before where the bike landed. Likely a combination of two. When he reacted and got on the brakes HARD, his front tire also got trapped in this missing asphalt. If you look close at the video you can that his bike is pretty much lined up with that left trolley rail.

I wish I knew how to do a screen grab from youtube... I'd post it up.

Edit: Also visible near the orange shoe at around :051.
Plus I don't think the chances of such a "neat" endo are likely otherwise, he was at least dipped in the rail if not grabbed by it.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:27 PM   #16767
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I couldn't help but noticing the useless bystander was wearing Capris, maybe that's why he was so reluctant to get out of his car.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:34 PM   #16768
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but best practice on the street also requires being prepared to deal with the unexpected and that which is beyond your control. you might have no choice but to brake in a corner at some point. imho, that means doing it regularly, so it is "nothing" when you have to do it, is a good idea.

it's not about being faster or racing or anything. it's about being best prepared to survive in a world where the unexpected and things outside of your control do happen.
Perhaps substitute the practice of a higher risk skill with the development of more observation and anticipation. Looking further ahead and giving yourself more time to respond appropriately.

After all how many events are truly out of our own control?
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:59 PM   #16769
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I don't think so. It looks more to me like the rider has absolutely no confidence in his tires on a wet surface. I would hate to see him on knobbies in the wet.


Not to mention doing the worst thing possible by sticking out his leg in case he slips. (Not to be confused with the foot forward method of riding!)

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Old 10-02-2012, 04:16 PM   #16770
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