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Old 10-02-2012, 11:27 PM   #16
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Pretty sure the lower gear was first intorduced in '08
and getting moving with a load being hard on the clutch is exactly what I worry about in hacking my std '07 GS. I'm not a huge fan of the GSA as a solo bike, but (unlike a solo bike) that lower gear and bigger tank really are a huge advantage for a hack.
IF I had bought a GSA ('08 or newer) it would be the bike I'd hack, with no second thoughts.
This is my first Beemer and I have no clue as to history and what came with what bike on what year. I think that an over all gear change came in 08 for both the GS & GSA. I did buy a lower gear ratio final drive to make it a bit easier to get moving. Not that it was really that hard to begin with, but I also didn't need gearing for 125 mph either. I suppose if you were loaded for bear and had stopped on a hill in San Francisco you might flog the clutch to get moving, but normal driving, fairly loaded, no need to abuse the clutch.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:18 AM   #17
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This is my first Beemer and I have no clue as to history and what came with what bike on what year. I think that an over all gear change came in 08 for both the GS & GSA. I did buy a lower gear ratio final drive to make it a bit easier to get moving. Not that it was really that hard to begin with, but I also didn't need gearing for 125 mph either. I suppose if you were loaded for bear and had stopped on a hill in San Francisco you might flog the clutch to get moving, but normal driving, fairly loaded, no need to abuse the clutch.
I didn't realize there was a lower geared FD available for the 1200? There WAS a 3.0 FD at Max BMW, but I haven't seen it on thier site for a while. The stock ratio change in '08 was pretty insignificant (IIRC < 2%) and even the 3.0 is only 3% lower. The lower 1st gear in the GSA "enduro" trans makes the biggest difference.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:09 AM   #18
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Go with the Ural. It's a load of fun!
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:09 AM   #19
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Pretty sure the lower gear was first intorduced in '08
and getting moving with a load being hard on the clutch is exactly what I worry about in hacking my std '07 GS. I'm not a huge fan of the GSA as a solo bike, but (unlike a solo bike) that lower gear and bigger tank really are a huge advantage for a hack.
IF I had bought a GSA ('08 or newer) it would be the bike I'd hack, with no second thoughts.
Yes, ignore my comments; I overlooked that you were talking about 1200 GS-en and not 1150's.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:47 AM   #20
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We have not tried it yet but BMW has a final drive for the R900 used in Europe that my dealer says can be ordered in. Not sure what the ratio is, Looked it up at one time. I have owned two R1200GS's with sidecars and built many more (we are up to just about 500 GS sidecars built so far) the only time I really wished I had a different final drive was when I towed out tent trailer to a BMW rally.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:02 PM   #21
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Somehow I have fallen into a situation where we have both.
They are both different animals... for different situations and Mr Cob expressed it perfectly.
For myself, having reverse, 2 WD as an option and going slower [photography] is the key and I am afraid that the GS is going to sit covered and be used only for the black top which we do not ride that often...
Imagine yourself on a pass where suddenly you have to make a U Turn and have no reverse and barely room to turn around. I have sometimes spend hours trying to turn around. No more apprehension now... I know it can be done in minutes!
So it is a choice...
Do you want to see the true beauty of this country off road or just what the tourists contemplate through the nicely paved or if dirt flattened roads?
You need both...

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Old 10-03-2012, 06:17 PM   #22
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I think someone was looking for Mr. Cob's Ural video:


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Old 10-04-2012, 08:12 AM   #23
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I am a firm believer in one of each personally.



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Old 10-04-2012, 10:54 AM   #24
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Being new to hacks but a 30+ year rider, I'll add my two cents...

If you have the money to hack the GS, then spend part of it on a used rig to "test drive." If you like the experience, then you should be able to sell the rig and put the money back into the GS build. If you don't like driving a hack, then, again, you sell the rig and you still have the GS to enjoy.

I bought a Kawasaki Concours / Hannigan rig from OgreFL in May and have been retraining my brain for the last few months. I still haven't decided if the Connie will become a permanent part of the stable or if it will fund a hack build on one of our other bikes but the test drive has been an enjoyable one.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:16 AM   #25
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You need one of each, a hack plus a 2 wheeler. I have a GS plus a Ural Retro, find myself taking the Retro everywhere but if I need to get somewhere or have some miles to cover I take the GS.

I see from another thread you're planning on hitting the BRP soon, PM me. I have a place near milepost 199 (US Hwy 52 and Fancy Gap VA) and if I'm there you can try out the retro on the BRP - a road and speed limit perfect for a Ural.

A GS with a tub sounds like a winner to me.
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:55 PM   #26
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You need one of each, a hack plus a 2 wheeler. I have a GS plus a Ural Retro, find myself taking the Retro everywhere but if I need to get somewhere or have some miles to cover I take the GS.

I see from another thread you're planning on hitting the BRP soon, PM me. I have a place near milepost 199 (US Hwy 52 and Fancy Gap VA) and if I'm there you can try out the retro on the BRP - a road and speed limit perfect for a Ural.

A GS with a tub sounds like a winner to me.
I may take you up on that!! We're about to cross into Arizona so have a little ways to go, but we've been looking forward to the BRP. Having a blast so far except that highway 40 out of California is a bland and boring road (we're used to this scenery).

It's a blast to ride my GS Rallye - I love the way this beauty handles - but the idea of hacking her is becoming more and more enticing. The idea of bringing my pup on these excursions (of which there will hopefully be many more), as well as being relatively unafraid over rough terrain (yes, I really am a total wuss), is a big draw. Plus, I find these hacked bikes to be so awesome!!

Man, I'm almost ready for this cross-country trip to be over so I can start really researching my options (and its only day 2!).
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Old 10-05-2012, 05:46 PM   #27
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Don't wish your trip away. I so wish I could hop on my Ural and do it all over again tomorrow. It sounds like you already have an offer of a decently priced tub and accessories on page 1 of this thread, plus two beemers. Hack one with that tub and be done with it. If that wasn't the case I'd be saying to try the Ural. I did a little over a year ago and quickly wanted 2wd so I upgraded to our Gear Up. No regrets. I'll also add that I still enjoy my 2 wheelers and would never only have a sidecar rig. To me that's like saying a snowmobile replaces a dirt bike. Two very different toys for sure.
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Old 10-06-2012, 02:57 PM   #28
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Pretty sure the lower gear was first intorduced in '08
and getting moving with a load being hard on the clutch is exactly what I worry about in hacking my std '07 GS. I'm not a huge fan of the GSA as a solo bike, but (unlike a solo bike) that lower gear and bigger tank really are a huge advantage for a hack.
IF I had bought a GSA ('08 or newer) it would be the bike I'd hack, with no second thoughts.
The way the dealer told it to me was that the enduro tranny was an option on the GSA from '05 - '07.
In 2008 it became standard on the Adventure model.
I have an '06 GSA without the enduro tranny and wish I had it simply for the lower first gear.
My clutch is suffering...

My vote is to hack the GS.

Cheers.
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:51 AM   #29
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About that R100GS, nice tug but suffers from highway-itis which you being Cali-based would suggest a fatal flaw. By this I mean that it's comfortable at 55. It'll go faster of course but your fuel consumption will suffer badly as will your oil. You can change things around to make it go happy at 65 but then of course you'll be taking fistfuls of low speed performance away.
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Old 10-12-2012, 05:58 PM   #30
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A good used Ural will cost less than having the GS professionally hacked. A good used Ural will also hold its value if you decide after a while to sell it and hack the GS.

You will never be able recoup the amount of money you spend hacking a GS if the need to sell it arises.

I have a GS I was considering hacking to go off-roading as my Goldwing hack didn't like it. I ended up buying a 2007 Ural Patrol with 2500 miles for $6k. I have never had a bike that put as big a smile on my face as this Ural does. I have put 4000 km on it in the 2 months I've owned it, about double my previous normal amount of riding on all of my other bikes combined.

Highwayitis isn't a terminal disease. Even living in So Cal I can usually find a scenic back road. If I have to get on the freeway, the Ural will cruise at 60 just fine in the right lane.


Anyway, my opinion (and you know what they say about opinions ) .... Get a used Ural first


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