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Old 10-03-2012, 02:12 PM   #16801
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"Do I look like I'm smiling?"
Nope, but his passenger sure looks surprised!
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:16 PM   #16802
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Sweet Jebus. Are you better at braking with four fingers or two? It matters more what the rider is good at and comfortable with than how many fucking fingers they use!

There are a shit ton of motorcycles out there, that even with factory spec/service brakes, you still need four fingers on the lever to get maximum braking from.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:23 PM   #16803
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Edit: Actually, on top of that, are all motorcycle riders going to make sure their levers are adjusted so that they can brake hard with 2 fingers and not pinch/crush the rest? As I said, we are teaching to a common denominator. Use all 4 fingers for braking, all the time eliminates that problem for everybody.

Also consider who we are teaching - new, inexperienced riders. We coach them to cover their clutch at all times on the range (at least for the first day of training)

Right. New riders, so teaching a preferred technique that works on all bikes is better than teaching advanced skills.

Generally speaking it's much easier to "feel" the brakes with four fingers, even if it only takes one. I'm baffled why people are obsessed with finding the minimum number of fingers necessary on their bike.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:24 PM   #16804
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Sweet Jebus. Are you better at braking with four fingers or two? It matters more what the rider is good at and comfortable with than how many fucking fingers they use!

There are a shit ton of motorcycles out there, that even with factory spec/service brakes, you still need four fingers on the lever to get maximum braking from.


I recently replaced the pads, fluid, and lines of the braking system on my ex500. Still have to squeeze HARD with all fingers for max braking. In normal riding I can get by and get stopped with two fingers. In town, I use all four, just in case.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:25 PM   #16805
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:06 PM   #16806
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I recently replaced the pads, fluid, and lines of the braking system on my ex500. Still have to squeeze HARD with all fingers for max braking. In normal riding I can get by and get stopped with two fingers. In town, I use all four, just in case.
Try finding a pad with a higher initial torque, increasing your rotor diameter or look at changing to a master cylinder with a different bore size.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:13 PM   #16807
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Having recently been taught "correct braking technique" after 30 years of riding one thing popped up to surprise me.

Using only two fingers on the brake can create a situation where the throttle is still open a bit so your braking against the engine. Not good for N00bs. Proper lever adjustment & a closing fist technique allows full braking control or full throttle control but not both.
Oh, here's the bus. I'm off.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:14 PM   #16808
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Try finding a pad with a higher initial torque, increasing your rotor diameter or look at changing to a master cylinder with a different bore size.
We have a large supply of bores here.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:43 PM   #16809
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Try finding a pad with a higher initial torque, increasing your rotor diameter or look at changing to a master cylinder with a different bore size.
New pads is easy.

Larger rotors? Well, now we're making adapter brackets for the calipers, but OK.

Larger bore master cylinder will get you less lever travel (so you don't have to pinch your fingers) at the expense of power (force multiplication)l- so you have to use all your fingers to get maximum braking.

Smaller bore master cylinder gives you more power at the expense of pinching any fingers left on the bar.

What was the goal again?
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:00 PM   #16810
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:16 PM   #16811
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Try finding a pad with a higher initial torque, increasing your rotor diameter or look at changing to a master cylinder with a different bore size.
All that and more. The cheaper bikes usually came with single pot calipers. I upgraded the KLR with a 300 mm rotor, four pot caliper, and new master cylinder. I refuse to own a bike with inferior brakes. Except for the Triumph, which is a correctly restored vintage machine, and it is ridden at events only.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:37 PM   #16812
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We have a large supply of bores here.
That's rather personal, don't you think?
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:04 PM   #16813
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I'm baffled why people are obsessed with finding the minimum number of fingers necessary on their bike.
it's not about finding the minimum necessary.

using 1 or 2 fingers allows you to maintain better control over the handle bars and throttle at the same time you are braking. you can use all 3 controls (plus the clutch on the other side) with fine input at the same time.

also, covering the brake with all the fingers you use to apply it allows you to apply it more quickly (as the fingers are already in place instead of having to reach for the lever). and covering the front brake level with 4 fingers all the time would sacrifice bar and throttle control.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:35 PM   #16814
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I'm baffled why people are obsessed with finding the minimum number of fingers necessary on their bike.
Because that is what all the 'cool' riders do because they saw someone they thought was 'cool' doing it. Then they have to justify it ... hence the hair splitting and finger counting. It's kind of like how one peice leathers automatically mean you are a great rider

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Old 10-03-2012, 05:37 PM   #16815
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I'm not really a high beam guy so that is odd. I wonder (and I totally understand what you are seeing), if it's some type of reflection bouncing back from my plastic guard? As bright as the low beam is, you'd think the high beam fixture would be fully filled with light. Either that or I just screwed up and hit my high beams.

No problem, I'm just messing with you.
I took all kinds of guff from a couple of inmates for riding with my highbeam on so I'm just spreading it around.
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