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Old 10-03-2012, 09:37 PM   #2731
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You have obviously skipped all the threads on BMW problems on the internet then? Is everyone assuming that the new GS will have "zero" toothing problems? I dont think so. They have added electronic trickery which has not been tested long term as was the Ducati's on the launch of the MS.

I have had an MS from 2010 and very happy with it. Similar to the new GS I thought it was ugly when launched but now after a few beers she is looking lovely.

A fantastic bike that is not in any way up against the GS for sales. Two very different bikes.

I am however strangely drawn to that BM icon.
Well, the MS is not a new model and given the number of multis vs. GS's out there (fyi there are more GS's sold in Italy than all Ducati's put together) it would be expected that there would be more complaints, but frankly my GS has been rock solid and has not been in the shop. I'm sure the new GS will have some teething problems, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near those of the multi which has been around for years. And actually the dynamic ESA on the GS is made by Sachs which has been making dynamic suspension for BMW autos for years, so it's much more proven than the dynamic Ohlins that Ducati went with and then ditched when they couldn't figure out how to fix it and stuck the owners with having to spend $3k to replace the whole thing.

I disagree that MS doesn't compete with GS.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:44 PM   #2732
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Per the BMW USA website comparing new GS to previous model (4kg difference = 9 pounds):

If you take BMW Germany figures, for ex the length & height, BMW USA is not corresponding.
I trust much more BMW Germany (Technische daten) than BMW USA...

Maße / Gewichte
Länge2.207 mm
Breite (über Spiegel)952,5 mm
Höhe (ohne Spiegel)1.412 mm


http://www.bmw-motorrad.de/de/de/ind...tml&prm_action
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:34 PM   #2733
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Well, this is the first side on picture I actually like. I want mine to look like that.



Those body braces must be a Touratech option to stop rider fatigue, I bet they deploy out when you engage cruise control.

Having the air intake at the top and the exhaust at the bottom must make it a lot easier to retrieve any items dropped down the air intake during service. I always drop stuff, so I think it's a great improvement.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:27 PM   #2734
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Aside from the front fender/beak, which I hope someone comes up with a good cover for like the Adv models, I think it looks good. Reminds me a bit of the new Triumph. So much so that I wonder if designers are in bed together. It looks heavy though. Any specs on operating weight yet?

output of 92 kW (125 bhp) at 7700 rpm and 125 Nm at 6500 rpm, the new engine offers superior power and performance in the travel enduro segment and beyond.
The empty weight (ready for the road) according to DIN of the R 1200 GS is 238 kg including standard BMW Motorrad Integral ABS.


That's not bad for a wet weight including ABS, when you consider the things they've added like Electric windscrenn etc.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:29 PM   #2735
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All I can say is bring it on I cannot wait for the new Adventure, it is a pity it will be so long, but I am tapping my gloved finger patiently!
I love it!
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:52 PM   #2736
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They made some cool changes to the wet-heddis. My concern is protection of the radiators in a minor tip over. I hope they sell every one of these so I can buy a 2012 on the cheap. Peace.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #2737
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But aesthetically, I prefer the current GS by a wide margin.
I agree. This beast is ugly on many levels. I have no interest in buying.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:43 AM   #2738
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I wonder what the alternator output is going to be.
Spec sheet says 620W
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:45 AM   #2739
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I agree. This beast is ugly on many levels.
So is the current one. Took me a while to get used to my '05 model but now I love it (looks better in a coat of dirt and scratches :-)
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:08 AM   #2740
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Looks to me like it isnt a "fully liquid cooled" engine. To me it looks like it's mainly the heads that get the liquid cooling, the barrels still have substantial cooling fins on them

I thought the new "wet head" would have had proper water jackets in the barrels etc with no fins like most other liquid cooled bikes.

I guess that's why its been nicknamed "wet head" not "wet engine"


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Sure hope these images help with the understanding of the new bubble head.

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Old 10-04-2012, 03:11 AM   #2741
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Like it or not

Like it or not, it is the future. Which makes my 2000 R 1150 GS a priceless work of art. I think that I will keep the old girl and start saving for a new one. Has anyone heard of a price range yet?
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:27 AM   #2742
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I've been calling it the Bubble Boxer from day one
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:30 AM   #2743
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... no overheating (hopefully).

Except the rider now... Looks like the water radiator is on the right side with a fan system, and the oil cooler is on the left. Lots of heat dumping on the riders legs. Yikes !


That is going to make heat management an issue in the evolution of the RT. Glad I bought the Camhead version.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:46 AM   #2744
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I'm surprised there is no heated seat option. The Triumph explorer has the option. It shouldn't add any weight really. Oh well, not really a big deal. Maybe they thought it would be too candy ass for a GS.
Would Sir like the hardtop conversion as well?

Seriously though I can't actually ever remember having a cold ass on a bike, cold everything else mind you.
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:11 AM   #2745
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They have added electronic trickery which has not been tested long term as was the Ducati's on the launch of the MS.
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What gave you this idea? Perhaps you're not familiar with the electronic issues that some MTS12 owners have faced up to now.

Liking the prospects of the new GS very much.
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