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Old 10-04-2012, 08:12 AM   #69796
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I have the instruction at home, but yes they slide in "bolt side up" and add about 1/2 inch to preload.

With the Intiminator you must use 5W fork oil.

There is a good thread here on adv rider with pictures on the installation procedures.

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That is possible. I install them in the orientation you see here, with the nut side pointing up to the sky. I did this because it is how the Gold Line Emulators are installed.


I did buy this bike with Ricor's second hand, so I do not have the instructions. Can someone verify if this is the right orientation, and/or provide a copy of the instructions?
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:17 AM   #69797
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That is possible. I install them in the orientation you see here, with the nut side pointing up to the sky. I did this because it is how the Gold Line Emulators are installed.


I did buy this bike with Ricor's second hand, so I do not have the instructions. Can someone verify if this is the right orientation, and/or provide a copy of the instructions?
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:17 AM   #69798
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That is possible. I install them in the orientation you see here, with the nut side pointing up to the sky. I did this because it is how the Gold Line Emulators are installed.


I did buy this bike with Ricor's second hand, so I do not have the instructions. Can someone verify if this is the right orientation, and/or provide a copy of the instructions?
That should be correct. Since no modifications are necessary to install them, you should be able to just pop them out too, and see if the issue resolves itself. Could be that one is bad. They should keep the front end from compressing while pushing on the handlebars, not from rebounding.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:30 AM   #69799
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Thanks all for posting and verifying the correct orientation of the Intiminators. I did install them in the correct position, so I am still puzzled and confused on why my fork is making the sounds that it makes, and moves slowly.

I think at this point I just need to disassemble it again and inspect.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:35 AM   #69800
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Thanks all for posting and verifying the correct orientation of the Intiminators. I did install them in the correct position, so I am still puzzled and confused on why my fork is making the sounds that it makes, and moves slowly.

I think at this point I just need to disassemble it again and inspect.

I don t have a noise, but have the same issue with my forks. When I start to brake for a light, my forks move quickly through the first 2 inches, then slow. When I stop, they don't spring back until I start to throttle up and take off. Strange issue, not sure where to start so I'm just "observing" for now lol
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:44 AM   #69801
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Thanks all for posting and verifying the correct orientation of the Intiminators. I did install them in the correct position, so I am still puzzled and confused on why my fork is making the sounds that it makes, and moves slowly.

I think at this point I just need to disassemble it again and inspect.
Sounds to me like there isn't any preload on the spring. Maybe hearing it rattle inside? Which would also make the fork rebound slowly. Just a thought.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:16 AM   #69802
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:09 AM   #69803
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Thanks all for posting and verifying the correct orientation of the Intiminators. I did install them in the correct position, so I am still puzzled and confused on why my fork is making the sounds that it makes, and moves slowly.

I think at this point I just need to disassemble it again and inspect.
Someone else was having problems with his Intiminator front suspension. When he took them apart he found the outer fiber/plastic? ring was distorted. I think it had expanded slightly and was sticking in the fork tube a bit. One fix was to file the ring ends a bit (just like on an engine piston ring). It seems RICOR was helping and working with him.

Several users have mentioned clicking when riding.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:24 AM   #69804
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As noted in above post. In A&P school we learned to do criss cross or star patterns on most assemblies, and doing 3 stages of tightening to ensure
even pressure and alignment. No idea if Suzuki provide more detail on this. I've never seen any specifics ... just following standard practices.

One thing to add: Once everything is loose ... make certain motor is fully seated correctly and not hung up anywhere. Basically, just wiggle it around a bit and look at motor mounts to see if all looks OK. Then tighten back up. Look specifically for cracked mounts, bolts or frame bosses.

The more I read, more I feel its a counter balancer issue. But just a guess.

Well, I did re-torque the motor mounts and I must say that there definitely is some improvement. Do not get me wrong, it is still nowhere nearly as smooth as my buddy's DR, but some improvement exists. At least now it seems OK-ish at 70km/h in 3rd and 90km/h in 4th gear, previously it wasn't.
It seems that the engine mounts were tightened to well over 100Nm. At least they required over 100Nm to break loose. I re-tightened them in criss cross pattern to the specified torque of 65Nm.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:37 AM   #69805
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Well, I did re-torque the motor mounts and I must say that there definitely is some improvement. Do not get me wrong, it is still nowhere nearly as smooth as my buddy's DR, but some improvement exists. At least now it seems OK-ish at 70km/h in 3rd and 90km/h in 4th gear, previously it wasn't.
It seems that the engine mounts were tightened to well over 100Nm. At least they required over 100Nm to break loose. I re-tightened them in criss cross pattern to the specified torque of 65Nm.
I don't know if this was mentioned but sometimes it helps to tighten up the motor mounts with the motor at full operating temperature.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:37 AM   #69806
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Well, I did re-torque the motor mounts and I must say that there definitely is some improvement.
Did you also check the head-stay bolts?
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:49 AM   #69807
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I don't know if this was mentioned but sometimes it helps to tighten up the motor mounts with the motor at full operating temperature.
Thanks, I will try that as well.

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Did you also check the head-stay bolts?
Definitely not, but it is not clear to me exactly to which bolts are you referring. Are you referring to the bolts that hold the small engine support "plates" to the frame? If I recall correctly 3 engine mounts hold directly to the frame and 2 to some adapter plates.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:15 AM   #69808
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Definitely not, but it is not clear to me exactly to which bolts are you referring.
3 bolts under the tank. Connect the top of the motor to the frame with 2 triangular plates. These would be the most important ones for transmitting vibrations.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:25 AM   #69809
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3 bolts under the tank. Connect the top of the motor to the frame with 2 triangular plates. These would be the most important ones for transmitting vibrations.

part # 29 is the bolt through the head
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID.../CYLINDER_HEAD

and the plates shown here as #5:
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID..._MODEL_T_V_W_X
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Old 10-04-2012, 02:33 PM   #69810
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Someone else was having problems with his Intiminator front suspension. When he took them apart he found the outer fiber/plastic? ring was distorted. I think it had expanded slightly and was sticking in the fork tube a bit. One fix was to file the ring ends a bit (just like on an engine piston ring). It seems RICOR was helping and working with him.

Several users have mentioned clicking when riding.
THIS! This is exactly the weird thing I think I am chasing down.



I just got off the phone with Ricor and explained my problem, and what they told me was the first round of Ricor's (mine were probably installed by the original owner around 2007-2009) had a slight issue with the seal ring being slightly too large. This is also exasperated by the fact that once it soaks and swells slightly from the fork oil, it becomes even bigger (Pro Tip: Belray sends to cause more swelling, even in regular fork seals). This makes sense with what I saw last year when I "rebuilt" the forks with new oil and new seals....it took a bit of force to get the Intiminator's out, as in I had to turn the fork leg upside down and compress it until the Intiminator shot out with force into my plastic oil collection pan. Likewise during installation, I simply could not just "drop them in"...I had to use the fork spring to help them slide in the fork.

So the guy from Ricor confirmed that I will need to trim down this seal ring. I just pop it off the Intiminator like a piston ring, remove some material either by filing or cutting with diagonal cutters, and reinstall. Once that ring is back on the body of the Intiminator, it should drop right down the fork tube with no resistance. Ricor confirmed that it is OK if it's slightly loose, the effects are not very noticeable.

Hopefully I will get to this in the next half week or so...I will post my results. Thanks everyone for contributing ideas and thoughts.

ER70S-2, thanks for mentioning this crucial bit of info!

planemanx15, this may fix your problem!

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